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John Goreham    November 5, 2014 - 8:26PM

In reply to by mike w (not verified)

I totally agree that the Toyota hybrid drive is way overdue for a complete redesign much like Honda just did with its Accord Hybrid and PIH. Not sure I can agree with you about hybrid sales history vs EV sales. We are discussing CARB and US market sales, right? The Prius in its third full year of US sales sold about 25,000 units in the US. The Leaf and Volt (not really a BEV) both did about the same, just under actually. In its fourth year the Prius sold over 50,000 then in its fifth year it sold over 100,000. The Leaf is on track this year (its fourth full year) to do a very respectable 30,000 units, the Volt has gone backwards and will do maybe 20,000. The Tesla (which serves a much different market) has never topped 20,000 and is behind last year's pace. The BMW i3 is doing great, but about half its sales include a gasoline engine. This is the fourth continuous year of modern EV sales in the US. All the BEVs added together do not equal the Prius' fourth year sales (2004). This breakdown ignores that the kooky little 70MPG Honda Insight had a few sales here and there back in the 2000s. We are also ignoring that the GM EV1, a true BEV, was first leased to customers in 1996. This is year 18 for modern EVs in the US market. It is year 14 or 15 for modern hybrids in the US market.

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