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I agree that many would disagree. But not much is going on...other than simulations of course. Years and years of simulations. Meanwhile, Navistar has announced that they will have a truck ON THE ROAD, with an Ecomotors engine within months. VHS wasn't better than beta, but it took hold faster. Sometimes winning the race to market is the most important part of the process, and I think it will be here. Obviously, we all hear about NDA's, and big meetings. We get letters about how the relationships between the company and the oems will be progressing. We are told about signings and future ipo's. But nothing happens.