When electric vehicles became available in a variety of choices about three years ago one of the positive aspects of ownership promised was that they would be maintenance-free. This was, of course, an exaggeration, but it had some elements of truth. Historically, maintaining a car was mainly focused on the internal combustion engine (ICE). This meant that the owner’s cost to maintain the car was closely linked to the engine. Since the EV has no engine of this sort, maintenance would be much less expensive. Let’s look closely at the two top-selling EVs to see is this is true.
Tesla Maintenance Costs
We are big fans of the Tesla Model S here, and we like Elon Musk. Both are a breath of fresh air, dynamic, modern, and forward-leaning. The Tesla Model S retails for between $75,000 and about $120,000. All vehicles sold in this price range come with some level of included maintenance, the Tesla does not. The first Tesla service is at one year and the cost, according to both the Tesla Website and also owners who have posted their invoice information on Tesla clubs we belong to, is $600. This makes Tesla the most expensive car in its price range to maintain. Drive a Lexus, Cadillac, BMW, Volvo, you name the brand, and this costs you nothing.
Tesla offers double-speak about its maintenance. Elon Musk likes to point out how useless dealers are saying “…auto dealers is that they make most of their profit from service, but electric cars require much less service than gasoline cars. There are no oil, spark plug or fuel filter changes, no tune-ups and no smog checks needed for an electric car.” Let’s look closely at this. There are no fuel filter changes on any modern car this author is aware of. That went away long ago. What the heck is a “Tune-up.” Again, long-gone with modern ignition systems. Plugs? Plugs in even the cheapest cars now last over 100,000 miles, and in some cars even longer. Smog check? There are no smog checks required by automakers. In fact, the emissions components on a modern car are warrantied for eight years or 80,000 miles by federal law. If Mr. Musk is referring to the annual inspection sticker most states require, he should know those are more about safety and revenue generation than emissions.
Mr. Musk is also guilty of double-speak when it comes to charging for maintenance. His website and stores offer service plans but point out that the vehicle warranty is not affected by maintenance. Then why charge for it? A four year, 50,000 mile service plan for a Model S costs $1,900. All internal combustion BMW automobiles have this exact amount of miles and years of service at no charge.
Nissan Leaf
The Leaf is the people’s EV. Affordable, economical, mainstream, and the best-selling fully electric vehicle in America. However, the maintenance cost is higher than its rival green car, the Toyota Prius. We visited the Leaf page on Nissan’s website, and there is no mention of included maintenance. It does say “Say goodbye to pricey oil changes and tune-ups. With fewer moving parts than any car you’ve ever owned, the Nissan LEAF® is ultra-low maintenance.” There is also a note that says “Got the 15k mile checkup on my Nissan LEAF—it was just $20 for tire rotation, car wash, battery testing.” What Nissan does not tell you is there is more to it than that, and it will cost you. We looked at the Nissan Leaf’s two-year service schedule and we noted that the brake fluid will have been changed twice, 33 inspections would have been performed, the cabin air filter replaced twice, and the tires rotated 4 times. The Prius, like all Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles comes with two years, or 24,000 miles of scheduled service free. That includes everything, and there is no charge.
Consumer Reports asked a Nissan dealer what the charge for just the brake fluid change was, and their quote was $291.95. So for the first two years the Leaf costs at least $ 600.00. Cars.com says the Leaf’s 5-year maintenance costs are $3,405, and the Prius’ cost of ownership is $3,399. Where is the electric vehicle savings?
Don’t believe the marketing hype or owners that write into blog sites saying they just ignore all the required maintenance. Internal combustion engine maintenance costs have dropped dramatically over the past decade. Tire rotation, inspections of drive components, brake fluid changes, HVAC filter changes, and tire replacements even up the EV to ICE car cost ownership costs over the long run. The two market leaders in electric vehicles do not offer maintenance costs saving in the real world.
In addition to covering green vehicle topics, John Goreham covers safety, technology, and new vehicle news at Torque News. You can follow John on Twitter at @johngoreham.
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Maybe the maintenance costs
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Maybe the maintenance costs are only a bit less (oil changes, etc) but 1) EV have brakes and wheels and filters not to mention a similar sized ICE vehicle is thousands less to purchase or lease. The TCO for EV compared to ICE will always be more costly until the EV price tag comes way down in price but that's years away. My gas car costs $200/month. Similar sized EV Fusion would be well over $300/month. Also for maintenance the dealer prices will always be the most expensive option. DIY oil change is maybe $15 and I know of places I can go that will do it for $10.
Seriously dude, there is no
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In reply to Maybe the maintenance costs by Mark (not verified)
Seriously dude, there is no way I'd ever, ever, put $10 oil into my beloved bimmer!
Look at TCO for Leaf compared
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In reply to Maybe the maintenance costs by Mark (not verified)
Look at TCO for Leaf compared with say - Spark. The leaf may cost less in maintenance but there is a $15,000 difference in the 5yr TCO. Also, I saw a used volt with 32k miles for $14k. What car loses over half its value (assuming $35k) in just 32k miles?? I also checked the carfax - the car did not have any accidents.
The depreciation shouldn't be
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In reply to Look at TCO for Leaf compared by Matt (not verified)
The depreciation shouldn't be calculated on MSRP but actual purchase price after rebates. In my case, that was $27,500 which was the same as the other compact SUVs I was considering, like the HR-V, CX-3, Mitsubishi RVR, and Crosstrek. BTW, the Spark is a 4-passenger sub-compact while the LEAF is a mid-sized 5-passenger hatchback and is 6" wider, 30" longer with 30 more horsepower and way more torque. Apples to apples should be Spark to Spark EV which was about $10k more expensive before rebates.
Depreciation is a problem for EVs or, a real gift to people buying second-hand! One of the things that I think is driving this depreciation is the significant improvements we see in each new generation of EV. The Gen 2 Volt is considered a huge advance over the Gen1. The 2013 LEAF introduced the "lizard" battery, 2016 LEAF added 25% more range, and the 2017 is rumoured to have 200 mile range. ICE vehicles simply do not show this level of performance improvement. I suspect that today's Chevy Spark isn't much different than a 5 year-old model.
To avoid the depreciation, you can lease, or like me, drive it into the ground. I've driven my last three cars 15, 14, and 12 years respectively and I hope to drive the LEAF for 10 years. Looking back over 2 years of receipts, I was paying $60 a week to fill up. Now, I'm paying $30/month! So over 10 years, the LEAF will have paid for itself just out of gas savings. By then, battery packs maybe so cheap I can afford a new and better one out of the money I saved not replacing oil & filters, coolant, transmission fluids, entire transmissions, radiators, fans, expansion tanks, alternators, water pumps, oil pumps, hoses, belts, pulleys, mufflers, spark plugs, timing belts, PCV valves, O2 sensors, etcetera, etetera, etcetera
I appreciate this author
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I appreciate this author making this point, because I have found it to be true. I am a 2015 Nissan Leaf SL owner and just brought my Leaf to the dealership for the 15,000 mile service interval and walked away with a $306 bill that I was not expecting. My last vehicle was a Toyota Tacoma and the first 20,000 miles of service were free. I was then offered an additional 30,000 miles of service for $300. I was looking forward to having a vehicle that was inexpensive to maintain and so it was quite a shock to see that if I follow the suggested maintenance plan, it is definitely going to cost me at least $600 more to maintain my leaf for the first 50,000 miles than it cost me to maintain my Toyota Tacoma. True story.
Thanks Paul. If you have a
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In reply to I appreciate this author by Paul (not verified)
Thanks Paul. If you have a moment to list out what work was performed and the charges for the things done that would be very helpful. We have not had much input on the 2015s. Cheers,
Here are the details for this
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In reply to Thanks Paul. If you have a by John Goreham
Here are the details for this work:
A 15,000 FACTORY RECOMMENDED SERVICE
15K INSPECTED BRAKES, FRONT 7.5MM, REAR 6.5MM.
REPLACED BRAKE FLUID. PERFORMED BATTERY REPORT CHECKS. REPLACED IN-CABIN HEPA FILTER
305 CN $266.25
1 BF4-12 BRAKE FLUID $3.85
1 27891-3SG0A AIR FILTER ASSY $34.84
PARTS: $38.69
LABOR: $266.25
TOTAL: $304.94
CUSTOMER PAY SHOP SUPPLIES FOR REPAIR ORDER: $14.38
SALES TAX: $2.96
PLEASE PAY THIS AMOUNT: $322.28
The work was performed on November 6, 2015 by Fuoco Motor Co in Grand Junction, CO
I actually love this car and I’m not sorry that I purchased it. It’s fun to drive and it does everything I need it to do and it is much more efficient than a similar gas or hybrid model. We have driven (on average) more than 1,875 miles per month. It has cost us (on average) $32 per month to charge. (We have a separate meter on the charger) If you divide 1,875 by 50 (If one could assume that a Prius, for example, *might* get 50 mpg) I might estimate that a Prius would use 37.5 gallons of gas to drive this distance. If I figure on gas being around $2 per gallon (about what it costs where we live) then we would have spent $75 per month on gas, yielding a monthly savings of $43. For the 8 months we have owned the car, this would total about $344 in savings, which was pretty much just wiped out by this service bill. I also love that it is environmentally friendly. On the other hand, I think that this service schedule is ridiculous. I have since learned that there are 2 service schedules and the garage (without consulting me) performed the more aggressive service schedule. It sounds like Nissan is publicly portraying that it has instituted this service schedule in order to prevent water build-up and rust in the break system. Nevertheless, the dealership should have realized and informed me that with the extremely arid climate in Colorado coupled with the fact that I have only owned the car 8 months, replacing the break fluid was likely completely needless. In my opinion, Nissan gets points for being the first to develop and commercially market an all electric car, but that doesn’t give them latitude to bilk customers on exorbitant and needless service procedures. For this reason, I really appreciate that you have established this blog to (hopefully) hold them accountable. Thanks so much!
Paul, thank you very much for
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In reply to Here are the details for this by Paul (not verified)
Paul, thank you very much for all of this. Even more thanks for your excellent breakdown of the cost of energy compared to the Prius. I have done many recent stories on that and often get push-back from readers. The Leaf is an excellent vehicle without a doubt and the passion of Leaf owners speaks volumes about where the auto-world is headed in terms of propulsion. Coincidental to the story, I leave in 3 hours for a media preview session on the 2016 Leaf. Response was so strong from the media, Nissan asked for firm RSVPs due to a "sold-out" event.
Have some information about
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Have some information about service. I have 2014 Leaf. Did 30 000km service (aka 15 000 miles) last year. I was also not expecting 160€ service fee (100€ average cost for oil change here in Estonia).
Then I asked for explanation and dealer told me that brakes must be serviced, plus cabin air filter. Then I asked more about brakes (as I know mechanics a lot) and about brake fluid which should be changed only once in 2 years (not that time). Then he finally agreed to show me the process. They remove wheels and brake calipers. Brake calipers are made of cheaper alloy and therefore may get stuck if not cleaned and lubricated properly (saddle slides on two pins etc). So I really did see them working. Cleaning brake pads with hard felt, cleaning calipers. So brake cleaner is really a fluid that should be used for brakes and not for cleaning hands. We don't do tire rotation here as almost everyone switches between summer and winter set (everybody who sees temperature below 5C/40F should have other set of tires as summer tires are like plastic toy-car tires at this low temperature; we see -20C, aka well below 0F).
I pushed harder and he did tell me about Nissan problems (not only Leaf). Some people choose not to service their vehicle (just oil changes and that's all). He said that it is ok (usually) to skip one brake service but they see A LOT of owners who visit the dealer for brake service (stuck/squeaking or mpg going bad) after 2-4 year of skipping and they get a huge bill for repairs because brake saddle got stuck so it breaks while dismantled. Lubrication just wears off and calipers seize. He told me that it might happen in 40 000 or 70 000 km but it will happen. Even BMWs fail after 100 000 miles (on average) with their higher end brake system without any lubrication/cleaning (I do confirm this; also calipers are better). In addition I know that brake fluid will start to fog up after years of use. Not in 2 years but after 3-7 years (depending on conditions) it will fail. I have also seen BMW's with failed brake booster because brake fluid was "never changed". Also I read some techstuff today about Leaf's electric brake booster. It is pretty complex. I would not recommend keeping brake fluid for more than 4 years just to be on the safe side.
It doesn't mean that we have to visit Nissan dealers now. We can do our brakes if we want so (not only changing brake pads and fluid). Dealers here are still stealers* here :D (usually 2x price of regular workshops, still those universal shops can't do everything). Anyway, I'm disappointed with Leaf needing a lot of service but at least they are not ripping off just for fun. After warranty (100 000km) I'm going to do brakes myself (I did on my bimmer after anomalies start to emerge). With LeafSpy I can access error codes and check the battery myself (96% at 50 000km).
*Nissan wipers cost 60€ while any BMW (mine 2001 or friend's 2010) usually around 30€.
Thanks for attention :D
Have some information about
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Have some information about service. I have 2014 Leaf. Did 30 000km service (aka 15 000 miles) last year. I was also not expecting 160€ service fee (100€ average cost for oil change here in Estonia).
Then I asked for explanation and dealer told me that brakes must be serviced, plus cabin air filter. Then I asked more about brakes (as I know mechanics a lot) and about brake fluid which should be changed only once in 2 years (not that time). Then he finally agreed to show me the process. They remove wheels and brake calipers. Brake calipers are made of cheaper alloy and therefore may get stuck if not cleaned and lubricated properly (saddle slides on two pins etc). So I really did see them working. Cleaning brake pads with hard felt, cleaning calipers. So brake cleaner is really a fluid that should be used for brakes and not for cleaning hands. We don't do tire rotation here as almost everyone switches between summer and winter set (everybody who sees temperature below 5C/40F should have other set of tires as summer tires are like plastic toy-car tires at this low temperature; we see -20C, aka well below 0F).
I pushed harder and he did tell me about Nissan problems (not only Leaf). Some people choose not to service their vehicle (just oil changes and that's all). He said that it is ok (usually) to skip one brake service but they see A LOT of owners who visit the dealer for brake service (stuck/squeaking or mpg going bad) after 2-4 year of skipping and they get a huge bill for repairs because brake saddle got stuck so it breaks while dismantled. Lubrication just wears off and calipers seize. He told me that it might happen in 40 000 or 70 000 km but it will happen. Even BMWs fail after 100 000 miles (on average) with their higher end brake system without any lubrication/cleaning (I do confirm this; also calipers are better). In addition I know that brake fluid will start to fog up after years of use. Not in 2 years but after 3-7 years (depending on conditions) it will fail. I have also seen BMW's with failed brake booster because brake fluid was "never changed". Also I read some techstuff today about Leaf's electric brake booster. It is pretty complex. I would not recommend keeping brake fluid for more than 4 years just to be on the safe side.
It doesn't mean that we have to visit Nissan dealers now. We can do our brakes if we want so (not only changing brake pads and fluid). Dealers here are still stealers* here :D (usually 2x price of regular workshops, still those universal shops can't do everything). Anyway, I'm disappointed with Leaf needing a lot of service but at least they are not ripping off just for fun. After warranty (100 000km) I'm going to do brakes myself (I did on my bimmer after anomalies start to emerge). With LeafSpy I can access error codes and check the battery myself (96% at 50 000km).
*Nissan wipers cost 60€ while any BMW (mine 2001 or friend's 2010) usually around 30€.
Thanks for attention :D
As a Tesla model S and ICE
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As a Tesla model S and ICE owner, I have to point out something related to this discussion. I do not need to bring the EV in for maintenance at all and my battery and motor warranty is still in effect for 8 years. The 4 year/50k warranty is comparable to any other car. I will likely bring in the car for maintenance twice in the 8 year period for brake fluid replacement and that does not mean I have to pay $600 per service. I submit that my EV and ICE will be very similar from a cost perspective in the first 4 years or up to 50k miles(since my ICE included maintenance to 50k miles), but after that the EV will be more cost effective from a maintenance perspective. Again, the key here is maintenance, and I separate that for example from a window motor or electronics breaking and needing to be fixed. Also, some luxury makes are now taking away the free maintenance and making it an add on, so that changes the game.
I have a 2015 Leaf I've had
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I have a 2015 Leaf I've had for 8 months, bought new. I've put 23,600km on it. Here in BC the worst case energy prices are $0.12/kWh and that's up from $0.10/kWh after you pass a threshold of monthy consumption. My employer let me put in a charger and refuses to let me pay for the electricity. In that period of time, using telematics data, $0.12/kWh I'm hovering around $530 in theoretical energy costs up to this point. I'm going in for my first battery inspection. Because I do my own service work, I've spent 3 hours of my time and $100ish for the cabin air filter and Nissan brake fluid. What your article glosses over is the lifespan aspect. There is likely two sealed bearings in the motor and the recommended service interval for the reduction gear is 168,000km and uses around a liter of ATF.
I personally find your article misleading, in the same wayzero percent financing and free service is misleading. No one does anything for free, but as previous posters point out, those costs are hidden.
An honest article would compare the maintenance costs at the service desk, not in the sales office.
Thank you NavyCuda. Your
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In reply to I have a 2015 Leaf I've had by NavyCuda (not verified)
Thank you NavyCuda. Your point is well taken, but in the story I did include the exact cost of the Leaf "At the service desk" courtesy of Consumer Reports who was quoted Leaf service by a Nissan dealer and reported the exact amount. Your two-year costs for maintenance are indeed low, but had you bought a Prius the cost for the service in that period would have been zero. We also include a source for 5-year cost of ownership (U.S.) back when gas was pricey- Nobody is arguing that the energy costs in Canada are lower for electricity than for gasoline, especially when your employer pays some of the electricity.
Yep , Bill ,diesel only thing
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Yep , Bill ,diesel only thing close to an electric for torque (unless its a ecoboost gas )
Yes, Tesla is expensive to
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Yes, Tesla is expensive to maintain - guilty as charged. Just google "tesla expensive to repair" and you will see all the horror stories with Tesla maintenance and repair. As with most luxury cars, Tesla is very expensive to maintain and repair, and all people who want to save money on car maintenance and repair should run away from Tesla
Accident damage, component
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In reply to Yes, Tesla is expensive to by evcharger (not verified)
Accident damage, component swap and maintainance are three different thinks. Tesla is not expensive to maintain; is about the same to change components that are out of warranty and as expensive to repair as most other aluminum bodies are. That last thing will change with Model3 as it will not be all-aluminum.
Ok riddle me this: Say
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Ok riddle me this: Say shocks on Tesla model S breaks (as it will with any car). Where will you go and get your replacement parts? With any popular car like Toyota, shocks will run only $100 each. For tesla Model S you'll be lucky if you an get shocks for less than $1000. Maintenance and repair cost is all same parcel. Dings and accidental damages are all part of life, and add to total cost of car, and Tesla belong in super expensive category, along with all the high end luxury cars, as parts and labor are super expensive.
Fair, but you're missing a
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In reply to Ok riddle me this: Say by evcharger (not verified)
Fair, but you're missing a major point, which is that an EV car simply has less systems to maintain. Over half of the required systems for an internal combustion are not required on an EV, transmission, exhaust, intake, fuel injection, starter, alternator, water pump, oil pump, cooling system, all of it is eliminated. Surely this will lead to vastly lower maintenance costs at the end of the day.
Tesla does not produce shocks
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In reply to Ok riddle me this: Say by evcharger (not verified)
Tesla does not produce shocks. Same with BMW. And please don't compare mansion with apartment.
As with BMW one can buy shocks from original vendor. SACHS for example. Or let's take brakes. Tesla uses Brembo. Last year I bought brembo discs for my 2001 BMW 5series. Not from dealer.
Also most repairs (including during warranty period) can be done at any professional workshop/dealer. Tesla doesn't force owners to use Tesla's service centers.
Also if you knew more about car industry you would know that shocks that cost 100 (even if we call them OEM) are lower quality than premium shocks. Or any other part on any car. For example Nissan uses Delphi suspension parts. I can buy Delphi parts to my BMW too at the same price (much cheaper) but this is considered midrange B-grade replacement.
I have owned my Leaf for just
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I have owned my Leaf for just a couple of months but will soon replace the windshield wiper blades. I will rotate my tires (as I have on every car I have owned) to maximize wear and safety in the very wet Oregon climate. Other than that I am not doing anything that does not need to be done. The car is a gem, well engineered and rides, handles well. It is the perfect urban commuter buggy and my 08 Prius with 69,000 miles sold for more than I paid for it! Again, no car payments!
This is an overkill. Wipers
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In reply to I have owned my Leaf for just by Isaac (not verified)
This is an overkill. Wipers last longer if there is not a lot of bugs and dirt. Tires should not be rotated earlier than 10 000 - 15 000 km. If alignment is fine there is no wear difference sooner than that. Just be sure to have more than 4mm of thread in very wet climate.
Well, it has been 2 years..
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Well, it has been 2 years...we bought a 2012 VOLT off lease for $22,000.00 with only 4500 miles on it. The only option is lacks is navigation...which I do not want anyway...why do the manufacturers not just go to GARMIN or some other GPS company and buy 2,000,000 copies of their system and put them in everything and then you would not need to buy upgrades....anyway, on to the VOLT.....this is how much we have spent to maintain the car for 2 years....$250.00 for the 5 year service.....including changing all fluids save the brake fluid. The cost of electrons has been about 1/3 the cost of gas (@ $2.00 per gallon...I told people when we bought it that I was driving down the price of gas......and I was right). We have put 20,000 miles on it....which would have been 2 oil changes, about 1000 gallons of gas and the other fluids (coolant, transmission) would be the same....so, when you look at it...if you drove 10k per year and most of your driving was on EMF as ours is you would only need to service the car every 5 years for $250.00 and your cost of fuel would be at least 66% less....if gas was $4 a gallon fuel would be 87% less.
None of the above takes into account the fast that you do not have to go to the gas station every week and pump gas in the heat/humidity/cold/rain/sleet/snow.
Just my $0.02 worth
This is awesome! Thank you
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In reply to Well, it has been 2 years.. by michael foster (not verified)
This is awesome! Thank you for sharing this. You got a great deal on five years and 20K miles of fluid changes for just $250. Your experience with energy costs is also welcome news to those of us here in Mass. where electricity is over $0.20 per kWh, making electricity in a green car more expensive than gasoline to move an EREV. Tell us more if you wish. What is your total electricity rate including both delivery and generation and in what region do you get that rate?
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