Subaru is a brand that has seen impressive growth in the past 10 years, and the Japanese automaker is doing one thing that customers love and another that they dislike with a passion. Subaru’s EyeSight is popular and is getting the brand top safety scores and customers want it. The CVT automatic is a staple in the Subaru stables and some customers loathe it. Why doesn’t Subaru move away from the CVT in the new 2019 Forester, Outback, Crosstrek, and Ascent if customers dislike it?
Subaru uses the Continuously Variable Automatic (CVT) transmission exclusively in their entire lineup of all-wheel-drive vehicles and won’t be dropping it because you have issues with it. They use the 6-speed standard gearbox in their sports cars for driving enthusiasts, but Subaru is committed to the CVT automatic in all their other vehicles and even use it in the sport-tuned WRX and BRZ sport coupe.
Subaru falls in love
Subaru was one of the first automakers to use the CVT. Do you remember the Subaru Justy? In 1989 the Justy became the first production car in the U.S. to offer CVT technology. The Justy was the first car in the world to come equipped with 4WD and ECVT. It was a big thing for Subaru and Justy was the car to introduce the world to the new transmission. Justy with 4WD offered all-weather capability and the new CVT offered fuel efficiency. The two were mated, worked well together and Subaru fell in love with the CVT. 30 years later, they still use a variation of the variable-speed gearbox now called Lineartronic.
Why CVT?
Subaru can get maximum power out of their small four-cylinder Boxer engines allowing for quicker and more responsive acceleration. The CVT is best suited for fuel-efficient city driving and a moderate load which works well in the small all-wheel-drive Forester, Outback, and Crosstrek vehicles. And maybe the biggest reason Subaru is love with the CVT, is because the gearbox is lighter in weight, delivers better power efficiency, and it helps improve a vehicle’s fuel economy over a conventional 6-or-8-speed automatic.
The CVT is ideally-suited for Subaru in their small and medium all-wheel-drive lineup of cars and compact SUVs. Subaru has also made it work well with their 2.0-liter WRX turbo Boxer engine and now coupled with the new 2.4-liter turbocharged Boxer in the larger 2019 Ascent family hauler.
Because there are no gears in a CVT, it allows for manual “shifting.” The belt-and-pulley system moves to preset points that simulate changing gears. This is accomplished by manually clicking the steering-wheel-mounted paddles. The CVT in the new Subaru Ascent SUV comes with paddle shifters and eight of these shift points.
Many customers find the sensation of continuous acceleration without shift points to be unnerving. Another common complaint is that a CVT gearbox tends to make the small SUVs seem excessively loud or harsh. That’s because it forces the engine to run at higher revs as the vehicle gets up to speed. Even if you hate the CVT in the new 2019 Subaru Forester, Outback, Crosstrek and Ascent all-wheel-drive vehicles, Subaru will never leave it.
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I will never buy another
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
I will never buy another subaru
I dont blame...disposable
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In reply to I will never buy another by John Gorman (not verified)
I dont blame...disposable cars......dont last
No more Subarus in my garage.
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
No more Subarus in my garage. Its a garbage!!
CV transmissions rely on belt
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
CV transmissions rely on belt drive. Never met a belt I liked. Can't buy Subarus for this reason.
What about a hairbrush?
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In reply to CV transmissions rely on belt by Spencer Warren (not verified)
What about a hairbrush?
Great for spanking your wife
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In reply to What about a hairbrush? by Steve (not verified)
Great for spanking your wife’s bare bottom!
Actually the 2019 and news
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In reply to CV transmissions rely on belt by Spencer Warren (not verified)
Actually the 2019 and news Subaru's have a CVT chain not a belt. Have you met a chain you liked?
ABSOLUTELY. I will never
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
ABSOLUTELY. I will never drive another vehicle with a CVT. I leased a 2014 Outback with CVT transmission and despised it so completely, I traded it in on a low mileage 2008 3.0R (which I LOOOOVE). I don't know what I'll do when it's time for a new vehicle. Unfortunately, it won't be a Subaru if they stick with the CVT. I also won't drive a vehicle the EyeSight technology. Subaru should pay attention to feedback from their oldest and most loyal supporters.
Drove a new Subaru outback -
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Drove a new Subaru outback - will never buy any car with the cvt trans. Why these people insist on keeping that crappy trans on such a basically good car is beyond me. Put VW's/Audi's DSG transmissions in them and you will find a ton more buyers. I'm all out
Yes. We have owned a 2004
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Yes. We have owned a 2004 Forester XT (one of my favorite cars I have ever owned), a 2005 Legacy GT, a 2009 Forester, and finally a 2011 Legacy with a CVT. That killed it for us. We now drive a 2015 Toyota Highlander and a 2017 Infiniti QX50. CVTs are junk. Yes they are lighter and get a little bit better gas mileage, but not hardly at all any better than the new automatics. My biggest issue was our 2011 Legacy started to have transmission problems and this is a direct quote from the dealer..."Are you out of warranty? Oh, those things are very expensive to fix and most times they can't be fixed at all. A new one will cost you around $5700" We left Subaru for ever. Give us a call when they dump that trashy transmission!!!!!
Will not buy CVT. It is
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Will not buy CVT. It is cheaper for manufacturer but horrible for consumers. Subaru has problems with their CVT. Also will be very expensive to repair
Being a car enthusiast, I was
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Being a car enthusiast, I was very disappointed when Subaru discontinued the 5speed automatic in the Legacy and outback 3.6 versions in favor of the CVT. This was at a time when we had sold our daughter my wife’s 2.5 Legacy with CVT with me giving my wife my 2011 3.6 Outback. So, I needed a car. The new 2014 Legacy’s were just coming out and I had planned on purchasing a 3.6 model. Unfortunately, they announced that we’re dropping the 5 speed in favor of the CVT. So, no more Subaru for me. I punched an Audi S5 with a beautiful 7 speed dual clutch tranny. We still have our 2011 Outback now with 121K miles. But when it goes it will be replaced by an Audi SQ5.
I will never own a cvt
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
I will never own a cvt vehicle. Cheap and basically disposable for manufacturers to make a quick buck.
In the market for a new car
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
In the market for a new car and was very impressed with the Ascent, the stylish design with roomy cabin and beautiful interior caught my eye. Reading the safety ratings and overall satisfaction ratings made it close to the Telluride and better than Explorer and Grand Cherokee until I saw it has the CVT transmission. We bought our son a new Ford focus in 2016 and had never experienced the cvt until then. The high rpms, shuttering and jerking made it unpleasant to drive to say the least as well as stalling in traffic. The transmission did not live long and was replaced under warranty. Will not endure that again. I prefer the automatic over a cvt. Subaru is off the list and Telluride moves back in top place. We have test drove all the vehicles I mentioned within the last month and was looking for a dealer to schedule a drive in the Subaru Ascent Touring edition until I saw Subarus exclusive use of the cvt. Yes, that will prevent me from buying a Subaru or anything else that uses that headace.
The Ford Focus has never had
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In reply to In the market for a new car by Randy Buckner (not verified)
The Ford Focus has never had a CVT transmission. You had a Dual Clutch transmission which has basically nothing in common with a CVT. The Focus Dual Clutch transmission (aka DSG) was junk so you won't get too many arguments there.
We have a 2019 Crosstrek with
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
We have a 2019 Crosstrek with the CVT. During my first Subaru buying purchase I asked and was told the car had a CVT. My "buy" went to a lease. My wife refuses to drive a stick so, while we love our Subaru, I would not own a CVT out of new vehicle warranty.
Worse transmission on earth,
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Worse transmission on earth, should have them all called back, many people agree just read the forams on the internet.
June 2020 - Just hitting 100k
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
June 2020 - Just hitting 100k in my 2016 Subaru Forester.
- Commute 60 miles; all highway and no traffic 5 days a week
- Drive up steep Mountain Passes (Reno is 4,500 ft and mountains passes are 8 to 10k ft) every weekend for ski or cali for kids soccer
I LOVE the CVT. I accelerate and decelerate slowly over distance to improve gas mileage along with wear and tear on the car. I can only imagine how much the CVT plays a big part in the longevity of the engine and drive train with the power transition being seamless.
Yes it's a crap style of
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Yes it's a crap style of transmission. That should yield cheeper vehicle price.
Yep. Never will buy one or
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Yep. Never will buy one or suggest one to customer.
Yes, I think so. Why would
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Yes, I think so. Why would Subaru put a 100,000 mile transmission in a 300,000 mile car?
Yes. Drove an Outback for 11
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Yes. Drove an Outback for 11 years, replaced it with an Impreza. Drove that for 3 years. Learned to hate the CVT experience. When the AT Temp light started coming on and two different dealers were unable to do anything about it I started reading up on it. The end result: I ditched the Impreza and will never drive another CVT car as long as there are alternatives.
I bought a new Mazda CX5
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
I bought a new Mazda CX5 Akera (Signature) with 2.5 turbo rather than replace our 9 year old Outback 3.6 with a CVT. Only 4.5 months down the track I couldn't bond with the Mazda and worked out a deal on another Outback 3.6 with CVT and took the plunge.
Since then I've totally become used to the CVT characteristics and don't have any issues. The car tours quietly and economically for a large 6 cylinder car and with its inherently smooth, quiet engine there is never anything but silence from the CVT. I'll wait to see how reliable it is (but I don't really feel there'll be problems down the track) but to this point I'm very happy to get the last of the 3.6, CVT notwithstanding.
And using the paddle shifters is great for fixing "gears" when in twisting and undulating terrain.
Yes. Simple reason nobody can
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Yes. Simple reason nobody can repair the CVT except a few dealerships. And usually it's complete replacement CVT. EPA is driving fuel economy at the expense of Long Term Reliability.
Absolutely. There is a 0%
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Absolutely. There is a 0% chance of me buying a Subaru or anything else with a CVT transmission. It's not just about the unnerving feeling of having no real shift points for me, though that is irritating. More than that though, it's the inherent unreliability of these things. CVT's were invented 50 or 60 YEARS ago. There are some very good reasons why they were extremely rare in automobiles up until very recently. They do not have anything like the longevity of a conventional automatic, much less an manual transmission which can go for hundreds of thousands of miles without a rebuilt. What's worse, you can't rebuild them the same way. When your "Lineartronic" CVT explodes 5,000 miles after your limited powertrain warranty expires, you're looking at $7500-9,000 or more to replace it. All of that for an extra 1 or 2 MPG at the absolute max? It was a stupid move they made and I have a feeling they are going to pay for it with their reputation. Wait until these Lineartronic cars start aging. The stories are going to make their leaky head gaskets look like nothing by comparison. There is a reason why Toyota uses hardly any CVT's outside of hybrids and even then, their CVT design is different than everyone elses. Toyota cares too much about their reputation for reliability to risk it chasing an extra 1 mpg.
I have recommend Subaru to
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
I have recommend Subaru to friends if they can live with a CVT.. but I won't own a Subaru until they can at least make a CVT as good as Honda... but even then I doubt it.
I sold my 2019 Outback
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
I sold my 2019 Outback because of the cvt. In warm weather it felt like you were trying to start out in third gear. Service department says it doesn’t show up ont the diagnostic machine so there is nothing wrong. The car is gone before the third warm season starts. It only does it in warm weather which they were to. Never again.
CVT'S in all vehicles are
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
CVT'S in all vehicles are awful from Infinity on down the line. Even if you service it every 30k as most of them recommend, you are lucky to get 150k out of it. Will not buy a car with one in it unless it has a proven track record of 200k+
Our Subaru Impreza
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Our Subaru Impreza transmission failed at 60000 miles.....the warnings about the trannys came out 6 months after we bought the car....never again
Yes...I traded My Outback for
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In reply to Will the CVT automatic keep by Denis Flierl
Yes...I traded My Outback for a new CX30 Mazda with the 6 speed Auto.......The CX30 is much more fuel efficient than My Subie was.........Am averaging 30+ around town........And the Mazda engine is FAR torqueier than My Subie.......But, I still love Subaru and if I am able to Buy the new Solterra at a reasonable price...I will........I have heard tho that Subaru might send 200 hp to the front and 100 to the rear..........Any decent German Engineer will tell You, That is Ass Backwards.......The cars steer better/handle better with rear wheel bias......65% rear, 35% front........Please Subaru....Do not screw this up............Paul
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