The Subaru Forester XT is well-loved by automotive enthusiasts around the globe because it offers the utility of a small SUV, all-wheel-drive off-road capabilities, matched with Subaru’s 2.0-liter turbo-boxer engine for sporty performance. It’s a great combination for driving enthusiasts. Unfortunately, it’s gone forever after the 2018 Model Year.
Loyal owners and fans were not at all pleased when Subaru Corp decided the all-new fifth-generation 2019 Subaru Forester will no longer be available with a turbo option. It’s a niche product, but slower sales are not really the reason why Subaru is axing the popular Forester 2.0XT.
A report by Top Gear Philippines says at the 2019 Forester’s regional launch in Taiwan, Subaru Corp executives explain why the Japanese automaker chose the non-turbo route. They say sportiness does not necessarily mean having more power. Tomohiro Ishitobi, Subaru Corporation’s senior general manager for sales and marketing division says, “Our interpretation of sportiness does not rely on engine power.”
Sportiness is not about more power
Ishitobi says expressing sportiness in the Forester is more about synergy and how the engine responds to driver inputs and its overall driving dynamics. “There is a way to express the sportiness of the SUV, and that’s what we think we have accomplished with the new Forester. We have prepared a different type of engine, not just the 2.0-liter that we’re launching this time. But regardless of engine displacement, we focused on engine response, it’s the key thing we focused on.”
By the numbers
All new fifth-generation 2019 Subaru Forester trims get the newly-upgraded 2.5-liter boxer engine. The new power plant comes with direct injection, higher compression, along with active valve control system (AVCS) on the exhaust side. The new engine produces 182 hp and 176 lb-ft of torque, versus 170 hp and 174 lb-ft in the previous-generation Forester. It’s quite a downgrade compared with the XT’s 2.0-liter turbocharged FA20 Boxer producing 250 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque.
READ: All-New 2019 Subaru Forester Sport vs. Forester 2.0XT Comparison
New SGP
We know the new Subaru Global Platform (SGP) will change the new Forester’s driving dynamics because the newly-redesigned Impreza and Crosstrek prove that. It’s the next reason why the 2.0XT is gone. Glenn Tan, managing director of Motor Image parent company Tan Chong International, said “It’s really something that makes the new Forester handle completely different from other SUVs,” Tan says his favorite feature of the car is its drivability.
All Foresters have new eyes
A big reason why the Forester 2.0XT is gone is so Subaru can move forward with having all models in their lineup come standard with their EyeSight driver assist safety system. The Forester 2.0XT with a 6-speed manual gearbox won’t work with EyeSight. One of Subaru’s core values is safety, and they won’t compromise it for anything. It’s also about reaching a new consumer who has never purchased a Subaru product before. Tann goes on to say, “I believe that EyeSight created a whole new bunch of customers for us.” when talking about strong sales of the new-generation Crosstrek.
Subaru Corp says they axed the Forester 2.0XT because sportiness does not rely on power alone to achieve it, the new SGP offers improved driving performance, and standard Eyesight across their entire lineup is more important than having a 2.0XT with a 6-speed manual gearbox. Reaching a customer who has never purchased a Subaru Forester before could be another reason. We will see just how sporty the all-new 2019 Subaru Forester 2.5i is when it arrives this fall. Stay tuned.
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I bought my 2014 Forester
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I bought my 2014 Forester BECAUSE of the turbo charged engine option. I travel the Florida Turnpike daily and need that power. I visited 5 South Florida Subaru dealerships before I found a Forester with the turbo engine. Most of the dealerships were not interested in discussing the turbocharge option with me and kind of put me off. One dealership told me it could cost up to $500 to have a Forester with the turbo engine shipped in for me!
I had hoped to purchase the 2019 Forester, but now I am going to.hold on to my 2014 and consider other options.
Very disappointed in Suburu
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Very disappointed in Suburu discontinuing the XT. I have both a 16 and 17 XT having previously driven BMW. The XT is nowhere near the performance of the 335
But reliability and the all wheel drive makes up for the loss of fun factor. Though when you use the sport sharp mode on the Forester there is quite a wallop in performance even though it is a software trick. Hopefully the new Ascent engine will make it into a 2020 XT version. The sport version being offered in the 2019 models is just plain dumb in my opinion as who cares about orange stripes inside and outside? The fun of the current XT is that it is a “wolf in sheeps clothing”.
Subaru spent years getting
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In reply to Very disappointed in Suburu by Gerald Avery (not verified)
Subaru spent years getting reasonable power plants in their vehicles and once again they shoot themselves in the foot...... Hello! your competitors are adding turbos, not taking them away!!! I have a V6 in my Outback that I'd love to have turbo charged!! Yes, V8 power for less.. The new Ascent is a joke and beat ugly..
Subaru spent years getting
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In reply to Very disappointed in Suburu by Gerald Avery (not verified)
Subaru spent years getting reasonable power plants in their vehicles and once again they shoot themselves in the foot...... Hello! your competitors are adding turbos, not taking them away!!! I have a V6 in my Outback that I'd love to have turbo charged!! Yes, V8 power for less.. The new Ascent is a joke and beat ugly..
Living in Colorado and
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Living in Colorado and driving at higher altitudes, I'll purchase a turbo that has more horsepower over alleged sportiness.
The 2.5 is an absolute DOG in
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The 2.5 is an absolute DOG in the mountains. The xt is much better ! The power difference is night and day and well needed. Their reason about responsiveness is a crock of s**t. The xt os a blast and super responsive. Subaru is going to lose a part of their customers. Oh well
Subaru, my friend, where did
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Subaru, my friend, where did you leave your soul?
I love all the commments! You
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I love all the commments! You can’t fool enthusiasts. I recommend you reach out to Subaru, I do regularly. Granted, you’ll get their canned responses but your opinion will be noted. Passion is what built the Subaru customer base. Their early cars were quirky and practical and Subaru dared to be different. Imagine a new 2019 XT turbo with a hood scoop and Ascent turbo engine! The uniqueness is gone as Subaru and has been replaced with a cars for the masses mentality. Classic case of a company forgetting its roots, getting complacent in its success and shooting for the mainstream. Acura learned its lesson, I hope Subaru figures it out as well.
"Responsiveness"... Our 2015
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In reply to I love all the commments! You by Ed B (not verified)
"Responsiveness"... Our 2015 Crosstrek, which was a true sloth, had "responsiveness" because of the throttle mapping. Giving 20% throttle was pretty much like 100%, meaning it accelerated almost as if it was floored (which can be dangerous in parking lots if not used to it). That's fake "responsiveness". We traded the Crosstrek in on our 2016 FXT. Its 258HP yield actual responsiveness. We also have a 6sp MT, BUT IT'S IN OUR 2016 WRX!. When we replace our FXT, we will have to move away from Subaru.
i love my 2012 Forester XT, i
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In reply to I love all the commments! You by Ed B (not verified)
i love my 2012 Forester XT, i am an aggressive driver (New Yprker) in Utah now and i will never drive anything else. Why cant they offer the XT special order for those of us who want them. We should be able to have one built at the factory if we want one, you dont have to put them in the showrooms, but make it available from the factory!
Its a marketing trick, The
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Its a marketing trick, The world is stuck on news articles, so create a story get alot of coverage and then change directions.
I own a 2016 FXT.. Just love
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I own a 2016 FXT.. Just love my car.2 of my friends drove my vehicle and joined the subbie family.. Sad to hear they dropped XT.. I can't imagine driving a regular subaru after driving an XT. Hope they bring it back with 2020 model.
Just a lame excuse for having
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Just a lame excuse for having. Lame CVT that couldn’t handle the torque from the XT. I can see right through that spin. The world is full of thousands of manual transmission turbo freaks. Make a Forester STI with 305hp and Full STI running gear and they would sell as many as actual Impreza STI’s.
For folks that live in the
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For folks that live in the high country, models like the Forester XT are great because of their horsepower. Subaru is being foolish for abandoning this market. I won't consider being a Forester without a turbocharger, sporty or not.
Do you guys do any research?
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Do you guys do any research? The current generation Forester XT has never been available with a 6 speed manual, it's CVT only. The previous generation was never available with manual in the US, the last time a usdm fxt was offered with a manual was 2008.
Ummm....the last generation
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Ummm....the last generation Forester XT only came auto, so that's a lie. But an SUV of that size could use an extra bump in power, that AWD selling point is only going to take it so far.
The last generation was
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In reply to Ummm....the last generation by Mark Lytle (not verified)
The last generation was automatic only in the US but in other countries it was offered with a 5 speed manual.
mighty car mods has a video with one on youtube so there was definitely a manual last gen FXT in Austrailia
I would never buy a Forester
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I would never buy a Forester that does not have a turbo. The XT was a unique vehicle that busted segments. The standard Forester is vanilla. I really like the Crosstrek but, the lack of power keeps me from buying one. Put a turbo in this vehicle, add a manual option with a moonroof and it will find a spot in my garage. I am not going to buy a car for its safety features. I am going to buy a car that I want to pay for and drive. I can afford cars that are more expensive than the most expensive Subaru. I do not buy Subaru’s because they make me compromise. I would like to buy a Subaru but, will not compromise. A turbo Crosstrek would be splendid but, will never happen after hearing what Subaru is planning. Sad really as it would appear that the loyal customers that participated in building the brand are no longer their target audience.
I concur Todd, Subaru has
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In reply to I would never buy a Forester by Todd (not verified)
I concur Todd, Subaru has abandoned the enthusiasts and went for the masses. Good for their bottom line, bad for those who helped build the brand.
I have owned 2 foresters. The
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I have owned 2 foresters. The first was the 2015 2,5xt which I replaced with the 2016xt after a bad crash. Both models had a very Spartan design but their driving experience was unique! Surely the new forester seems to be a good and safe car. It has been improved in design and meterial quality comprared to the older foresters which was needed. Its front also reminds me my 2015 model which is quite nice because it has gotten that old agressive shape which the forester fans always loved! However the competitors upgraded their models too. Forester was always known for its power performance. The sooner the producer realizes this gap created and add turbo version the better for them. It is not that difficult!
Savvas, I hope so. Mazda has
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In reply to I have owned 2 foresters. The by Savvas (not verified)
Savvas, I hope so. Mazda has already moved to fill the void with a turbo CX-5 for 2019. The 2019 Forester is bigger than the previous model and heavier, that should’ve prompted them to keep the turbo option.
I miss my 16 XT. It was great
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I miss my 16 XT. It was great on gas and reliable in all weather. My only regret is not getting the Touring model which had every option, including better audio (which the premium package lacked). When I discovered that the Turbo is no longer available, I returned my Lease and opted to Lease the Infiniti QX50 which had comprable performance numbers. After 6months now, I remember the Forrester being more responsive and having a better CVT.
I would have Leased another XT, but I had no other options in that market in regards to ground clearance, performance and utility all wrapped up in into one great package. The QX50 is a great car, but that XT really surprised and embarrased alot of people on the Highway and off the line at red lights....great sleeper vehicle.
I purchased a 2014 Subaru XT.
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I purchased a 2014 Subaru XT. I loved this car! I went back and forth between the XT and the non-turbo with my purchase decision, but decided on the turbo. I later had to drive a non-turbo for 3 weeks while mine was in the shop -- wow, what a difference. It didn't have the power to climb hills with confidence, pass cars on the highway, etc. No comparison. I now have a 2018 Subaru XT. I considered waiting to get the 2019 version with the new platform -- so glad that I did not wait. Because I wouldn't have that turbo! Subaru -- please bring back a more powerful engine in whatever form it needs to take.
I just googled 2020 Forester
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I just googled 2020 Forester XT and got this link.
I too have a 2017 Forester XT Touring. I bought this vs buying an Audi which was about $20k more. Other than the Audi having a nicer interior, Google map dash I found XT offered better performance. Nearly 3 years in I am very satisfied with my XT and just began think about trading for a 2020. Hence the search.
My guess, Subaru will be offering a Forester hybrid, hopefully beyond the milk toast gas milage saver with a combine HP near current 180hp level, they will offer an XE (for electric) version with huge torque (electric motor) and a combined power of 250 or sp. Just dreaming
Own a 2016 XT fully loaded.
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Own a 2016 XT fully loaded. First, manual wasn't an option, automatic CVT only. Second, Eyesight works just fine in my XT, this article and Subaru's reasons are bunk and crap. When its time for a new vehicle, if they haven't put a good engine back in the Forester I'll move on. Subaru, like Mazda, is wrong on what constitutes sportiness. Too much fake junk hanging off these vehicles without enough ponies to back it up.
We've had 7 Subaru's in our
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We've had 7 Subaru's in our family in 25 years, majority turbo. I am not replacing my 2014 XT with non-turbo Subaru. Sell me real turbo, and not that behemoth Ascent. I still remember my 2004 WRX, sitting high enough for moderate snow and fun to drive, road feel and all. Switched to Forester turbo due to WRX redesign into a city car, with ridiculous low grill and 'comfortable cabin' and 'safer' small windows. Give me Crosstreck or Forester with turbo, or I'm switching the brand.
I had a 2014 turbo and had I
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I had a 2014 turbo and had I known it would be gone in 2019 I never would of sold it, NO comparison for me. Three time Subaru owner and I’m done. Very gratifying to hear so many others feel the same.
I've owned five Subarus.
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I've owned five Subarus.
The current one has turbo. Power output specifications speak volumes on it.
If Subaru values safety, give us a car powered with an engine that can get out of its own way in an emergency situation. .... not one that you shift and wait to MOVE!
We own a standard forester
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We own a standard forester and a 3.6 Outback. I wanted to buy a Forester XT. They are losing my business. I'll check into Mazda turbo now.
Really Subaru?!? The power
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Really Subaru?!? The power in the normally aliases 2.5 liter is anemic. You need to put a turbo in the Forester or I am going elsewhere for my next car. Proud owner of a 2015 Forester XT.
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