Range in an EV
Does range really not matter in an EV? Those who own a long range EV like a Model 3 long range might disagree with this. After all, range is an important question when it comes to an EV. A better way to say it. Range is overrated.
Tailosive EV has been driving friends and family members around in his Model 3 RWD and hasn't had any problems. Most people are asking about range or how often you have to stop before you have to charge - such as a Tesla Supercharger.
You have to think about EV's differently. You charge an EV much differently than a gas powered car. Most people think about a battery instead of a gas pump. Charge station -vs- gas pump. Charge stations are slow, gas stations are fast.
A really efficient gas car can go about 500 miles on a gas tank and you have to go stop and fill up. With an EV, the vast majority of charging is done at home which means you wake up with a full tank every day. Even if you don't charge at home, most charging isn't done quite to full because you charge faster at a low state of charge. Once you get close to 100%, the charge speed slows down.
With a Model 3 RWD with LFP batteries you can charge to 100% often without much effect on battery degradation.
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Range Doesn't Matter
Another reason the question is flawed is because your driving style and environment matter. Most people don't drive more than 40 miles a day - with maybe 80 miles a day at a maximum. Even the worst EV range is going to be able to cover that and you can top off at home - for most people.
My case is different because I do not have home charging. I instead have to charge at a Tesla Supercharger or a 3rd party charger like ChargePoint. So I have to think about my range more and what percentage my battery is at.
If you go on a road trip in a long range Model 3, for example, you could charge to 100% and drive from 358 miles on (if new and no battery degradation has occurred). The bigger variable for trip time and range used is the charging network you have access to.
How many stalls are available and will you have to wait in line? Will the charging stations be working or down? Will your vehicle max out at a faster speed or a lower speed. Tesla's Supercharger network make this less of an issue because there are so many Supercharger stations available.
Most people own a vehicle for 6 to 8 years and this will probably increase with EVs. Most owners will own their vehicle for 10 years or more. Batteries do degrade over time, however, gas tanks hold for the most part the same amount of gas. They don't get as bad as a battery does over time. Within the first year or two of an EV, you will see the most amount of battery degradation. It tends to stabilize around 10% to 15% degradation even after 200 thousand miles.
I think as EV's get more range and become cheaper, range will become less of an issue, even if you don't have home charging. Eventually, most EVs will have 300 miles of range or more and batteries will get better making any concerns about range a mute issue. Tesla has a huge advantage with the Supercharger network.
Do you think range matters on an EV? Does battery degradation negatively affect an EV's value?
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it depends on the use...
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it depends on the use...
I use my tesla MS exclusively for trips, with an average of 40.000 km per year.
I am very happy about the car and the range.
Nevertheless, if Tesla or someone else will offer a similar car with a 30% range increase i would take it immediately.
More range means less stops, less stop duration, more flexibility...
In EV range is king, as in the old ICE world "torque" was king...
Must be a city boy , no road
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Must be a city boy , no road trips t to Alaska ,Canada, Yuma Arizona.
Try that in a ev?
> Must be a city boy , no
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In reply to Must be a city boy , no road by Leon Kuhre (not verified)
> Must be a city boy , no road trips t to Alaska ,Canada, Yuma Arizona. Try that in a ev?
Alaska and Canada are probably not common trips for most folks in the U.S., but Yuma is easy in an EV.
I took a road trip in a Tesla Model Y last spring from North Carolina to Los Angeles and back. I was meeting my brother-in-law in Joshua Tree NP on Saturday morning, and needed to kill time, so I went from Phoenix to Yuma, AZ. There are way more chargers on I-10 and I-8 than you need, including one in downtown Yuma I used while I ate lunch.
Then, I took US-95 through the Kofa Wilderness, and took a 7-mile detour down a dirt road to hike in Palm Canyon, before getting back to I-10.
The problem with speculating about what can't be done in an EV is that someone will eventually do it. ;)
I agree recharging concepts
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I agree recharging concepts need to change but that's is not realistic currently as chargers are not widely available, have to exclude Tesla since it isn't a standard. And anytime the arguement of average miles used being 40-80 is a disingenuous arguement. Sure that's the typical workweek but to buy a car that can only meet that minimum and be acceptable it's a weak argument. You might as well argue that everyone use electric bikes instead. Automobiles are about possibilities, weekend adventures, family trips. Not just the days of the week we have to work.
Have had an i3 with range
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Have had an i3 with range extender for 6 years. Batter range was listed as 90 when new. Have had to use rage extender feature twice in over 63K miles. Perfect vehicle for Daly local use. Instead of eliminating ICE vehicles we should consider incentivizing electric as second vehicles for those who have more than one vehicle in the household.
Assuming a device could be
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Assuming a device could be created that would keep the EV battery charged at a 90% level all the time, how much more energy (volts & amps) would it take?
I was stunned by your title…
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I was stunned by your title and even more so by your obvious omission of why range is so critical in choosing an ev. If you only do around town driving sure no argument. But if you ever plan to drive on vacations, visit family 500 miles away range is paramount. I live in eastern Virginia and everyone I know drives on trips of hundreds of miles regularly and until charging a battery is as fast as filling up at a current gas station ev sales will lag and not be a primary car but a well off families second car. Ev's with a short range of less than 500 miles will never be primary cars for most American households. Convenient rapid charging stations can fix the problem but we are a very long way from that with infrastructure and desire to invest in the infrastructure. So right now, ev range is everything!
Range is ALL that matters as…
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In reply to I was stunned by your title… by Jesse (not verified)
Range is ALL that matters as EVs need to do more than just haul people. I pull my boat, yard trailer, etc. My Tundra gets dismal MPG, but I can fill it up anywhere. I looked at the Lightning or Rivian, but range drops to 100 miles when you put a 6000lb boat+trailer on it. And, there's no chargers anywhere that allow drive-through charging with a trailer. Absolute deal breaker for anyone that wants to actually use their electric truck or SUV for hauling a trailer. Now, give me a truck with a 600 mile range - or 300 miles towing a boat, then we can talk.