Toyota Has The Perfect Alternative To The EV and Could Revolutionize The Market

Hydrogen is the way forward. Go Toyota!

Heard about this a couple years ago. Great idea. Electric is a gimmick. Your article explains why. Internal combustion has come a long way and is efficient. I look forward to the creation and production of hydrogen powered vehicles. Go get em Toyota!

LOVE this article! When Toyota releases their car, I'm buying one!! Electric cars have always concerned me due to the batteries, but even more because they suck more power out of our already fragile/under-supplied grid. I've seen NO benefits to air quality or the environment here in California. How can there be when they ramp up the power plants to meet this new demand. I really REALLY wanted an EV, did a lot of research, and have heard all the pro arguments from EV owners (which mostly boil down to low maintenance costs). That seems to be the main priority, and not the big picture. I'm a tree-hugging conservationist, and to date EV's seem like a lot of hype without any results, unfortunately. I'm totally open to replies that can might provide new EV insight. Thanks!

Let’s see what you can do with the hydrogen, I would go with it. Also would work with classic cars!

Here's the problem with hydrogen: really the only place to get green hydrogen at any sort of scale is from water.

Water is the combustion byproduct of hydrogen and oxygen.

In essence, you are "un-burning" the water so that you can burn it again later. You lose 20-30% in the electrolysis (the "un-burning" protess) and then 75%-80% of what's left in the combustion process.

Best case scenario, 80% of the electricity used in the process is wasted due to inefficiency.

If instead you'd put that electricity into a typcial BEV then you've only lost 30% of the electricity due to inefficiency best case.

There's use for hydrogen, sure. But it's not going to be personal transportation for the masses. We are energy hungry and that's only getting worse. We aren't going to solve it by going to an even more inefficient technology. You'd be far better served putting that energy into battery recycling

I look forward to buy such fuel cell powered vehicles

Hydrogen engines aren't A New concept. They've been around for some time.
It's just a matter of when the government is willing to give up the Petro dollar.
Before anyone is allowed to mass produce this engine without disappearing

In the 1990s, Scientific American wrote an article on what was holding back hydrogen powered vehicles. I seem to remember a cost ratio of 4 to 1 compared to a gasoline powered vehicle at the time. Toyota should contact Scientific American to update their article to show how they’ve closed the gap and what’s left to overcome making hydrogen a standard.

Hydrogen is far superior to electric vehicles, which still use coal fired electric plants to charge, have limited range, severely expensive battery replacement cost, as well as no current recycling of poisonous components. The entire gas/diesel fuel use system could be updated with minimal impact on global infrastructure, i.e. fuel stations, commercial uses, agricultural, etc.

I have always felt that hydrogen vehicles are the answere. They've around longer than most realize but l feel they have been suppressed--but by whom?

My neighbor worked at Honda in Stockton CA. She had a hydo take home car for several years and said it was a very enjoyable ride. I never got into the details with her.

I am waiting for nuclear. Maybe hydrogen will come through, but they've been talking about hydrogen powering cars, as more than a fantasy, for over 30 years.

Hydrogen is expensive to produce as a fuel currently. In the future it will become cheaper. EV are great cars but right now we are burning more coal to produce electricity than we were 50 yrs ago. If we can power an EV from a solar battery then it makes sense.

Even though hydrogen production is behind the curve compared to EV, there is one thing that gives hope that this can succeed.........Toyota.
The maker of the Camry which is one of the most successful cars sold in the U.S. and most importantly........the Prius. The most successful hybrid built.

That's what I am waiting for

Water is Earth's most precious resource. My question is: would the 'cracking' of water to extract hydrogen on a large scale permanently reduce the amount of water in the world? Given that the byproduct of hydrogen combustion is water, would the same amount of water be produced by that process as was used to extract the hydrogen? If not, the burning of fossil fuels would be nothing in comparison to the new problem large-scale hydrogen production would create.

I agree, EV’s are not the way to go. They have terrible towing range, usually under 100 mi. And only run for 100K mi. before you have to spend $20K US to replace them. There only good for small jaunts and very expensive at that

I welcome hydrogen efficiency! But does it run on distilled water? If not how does it manage impurities. In a world where water is becoming scsrcer in some parts of the world, is hydrogen combustion going to create new problems?

I assume the hydrogen under pressure has a safety feature to prevent the explosion some people fear of hydrogen engines. For example does it generate hydrogen on demand for the engine instead of storing H2 in a tank? T. If so the ell us more! Or can the h2 be recaptured when it bonds with Oxygen upon exhaust to run again without much water loss? If so people could use the same engine to create their own water supply!

What seems to be missing in this discussion is the energy costs of hydrogen production. It's not like the sun or wind. What about all the additional energy to make all the hundreds of more parts of an ice car? Also missing is the much lower efficiency of internal combustion engine on gas or hydrogen vs electric motor. I have a high regard for Toyota vehicles but this hydrogen concept is not going to fly imho. Once the issues with batteries for mass market EV production are solved such as getting higher energy density lower weight and faster recharge there will be nothing but the oil industry vested interests and disinformation campaigns and owned politicians to stop widespread adoption as they will be cheaper to manufacture. That said we are a long way from getting off our fossil fuel needs and our energy policies should not ignore that. I may like the advantages of an electric car or phev but I'm a long way from my house being ready for a heat pump so I'm still an oil / gas addict for years to come.

Free electricity generated cars are the real wave of the future, with almost no batteries. Still forbidden for public use by the cabal. A friend personally knew the inventor in the 1950s in utah, who was murdered after refusing to sell out

The correct terminology is fuel cell vehicles instead of hydrogen combustion engine. This is also an electric Vehicle with energy stored in the hydrogen bonds instead of a battery. It is the best solution to 'range anxiety '

Being able to charge at work and at home are my favorite things with electric. Can i do that with hydrogen? And the power and the efficiency....

When I was at General Motors Institute as a student 50 years ago I tried to get GM interested in switching from gasoline to hydrogen to power their cars. I was told gasoline is here to stay...shut up and go away... That was the progressive position of management at my company GM.

This is the exact way to go. The battery solution is just stupid and the negative aspects of them have been pointed out many times by others smarter than me and I will not repeat them. Hydrogen is clean and with probably half the effort to make batteries, hydrogen could be developed for the auto industry as well as other industries.

Toyota has always shown to be the best-of-the best in innovative advances, probably using classic problem solving techniques. I believe they are about to do it again!

I think it's a great idea to explore this alternative with the masses blindly accepting EVS.

I’m in total agreement with Akio Toyoda. EV technology depends on manufacturing more electricity from coal, gas, water and nuclear sources. And mining more lithium. There is no advantage For the environment in that.

And wait for the first major car accident and your hyd4ogen tank will explode, sending shrapnel carrying some part of your body all over the freeway within a 100+ meter of the location of that accident. I would not even drive close to a hydrogen fueled car, let alone ride in one or buy one.