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I Would Gladly Replace My 2011 Toyota RAV4, But Can't Because of V6

In a recent comment under our story about Toyota's reliability, one 2011 RAV4 Sport owner with a V6 engine, has had nothing but positive experiences with his vehicle. And he is not willing to part with it for this single reason.

In an era where automakers are shifting toward smaller engines and hybrid powertrains to meet stringent fuel efficiency and emissions regulations, some long-time car enthusiasts find themselves at a crossroads. A recent comment on a Torque News article, titled "The 10 Most Reliable Car Brands, Toyota And Lexus Are Light Years Ahead," sheds light on a sentiment shared by many Toyota RAV4 owners who cherish their older models, particularly those equipped with a V6 engine. The comment, made by a reader named Froggy, highlights a growing frustration among those who feel that modern replacements for their beloved vehicles simply don't measure up—at least in terms of power and driving experience.

"Currently own a 2011 Toyota RAV4 Sport model with rare V6 2WD that was purchased new and has been extremely reliable during its lifetime and 95000 driven miles. Drives like new and is very quick due to a low curb weight of 3500 lbs. and 270 HP velvety smooth V6. The only services have been oil and filter changes and tires. I would gladly replace it with a new one but sadly TOYOTA decided to cut the V6 engine option in the RAV4 lineup so I will keep it for a while longer until I can find a similar replacement," Froggy commented today under the above-mentioned Torque News article.

Froggy’s 2011 Toyota RAV4 Sport model, equipped with a rare V6 engine and two-wheel drive, embodies a blend of reliability and performance that has become increasingly scarce in today's automotive market. With 95,000 miles on the odometer, Froggy's RAV4 drives like new, a testament to Toyota's reputation for building durable vehicles. This particular model's low curb weight of 3,500 pounds and its 270-horsepower V6 engine offer a driving experience that's both swift and smooth—a combination that has become harder to find as automakers pivot toward smaller, turbocharged four-cylinder engines or hybrid systems.

The V6 engine in Froggy's RAV4 is notable not just for its power, but for its reliability. Over the years, Froggy's vehicle has required only routine maintenance, such as oil and filter changes and new tires, further cementing the RAV4's status as a dependable choice for those who value longevity and minimal upkeep.

The V6 Dilemma: Why Did Toyota Cut It?

The decision by Toyota to cut the V6 engine option from the RAV4 lineup is part of a broader industry trend aimed at improving fuel efficiency and reducing emissions. While this shift makes sense from an environmental and regulatory perspective, it has left a segment of consumers feeling alienated. For those like Froggy, who appreciate the extra power and smoothness that a V6 engine provides, the current RAV4 lineup—which now relies on four-cylinder engines and hybrid powertrains—falls short.

The current generation of the RAV4, introduced in 2019, offers a 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine and a hybrid option. While these engines are more fuel-efficient than the V6, they don't quite match the performance or the driving pleasure that Froggy's V6-equipped RAV4 delivers. This shift is reflective of Toyota’s broader strategy, which has seen the brand focus more on efficiency and electrification across its lineup, from the Prius to the newly introduced bZ4X electric SUV.

Froggy's situation is emblematic of a larger issue facing automotive enthusiasts today: the shrinking availability of performance-oriented engines in mainstream vehicles. For those who have grown accustomed to the power and smoothness of a V6, the transition to smaller, more efficient engines can feel like a compromise—one they’re not always willing to make. As a result, many drivers are holding onto their older vehicles longer, unwilling to part with a car that delivers the driving experience they value.

This trend has also had a notable impact on the used car market. Vehicles like Froggy's 2011 RAV4 Sport with a V6 engine are becoming increasingly sought after, particularly as newer models move away from offering such powertrains. For buyers who prioritize performance and reliability, finding a well-maintained older model with a V6 engine is becoming more difficult—and more expensive.

What Are the Alternatives To RAV4 with V6?

For those in Froggy's position, the options are limited. While Toyota no longer offers a V6 in the RAV4 and perhaps should bring it back, there are still a few alternatives on the market for drivers who prioritize power. The Toyota Highlander, for instance, offers a V6 engine, but it’s a larger and more expensive vehicle compared to the RAV4. Other automakers, such as Honda and Ford, also offer SUVs with V6 options, but these vehicles may not match the RAV4 in terms of reliability or overall value.

Another potential alternative is to explore turbocharged four-cylinder engines, which can offer a similar level of power to older V6 engines, albeit with a different driving feel. However, for purists like Froggy, these engines often lack the smoothness and linear power delivery that make a naturally aspirated V6 so appealing.

The Future of the RAV4 and Toyota’s Engine Strategy

Looking ahead, it’s clear that Toyota, like many other automakers, is committed to a future dominated by hybrid and electric powertrains. The next generation of the RAV4 is likely to continue this trend, with even more emphasis on efficiency and reduced emissions. While this is good news for the environment and for fuel-conscious consumers, it leaves a gap for those who still desire the power and performance that a V6 engine provides.

For Froggy and others in his situation, the best course of action may be to hold onto their current vehicles as long as possible or to seek out a well-maintained used model that still offers the desired V6 engine. While the days of V6-powered compact SUVs may be numbered, their legacy—and their appeal—remains strong among those who have experienced their unique blend of power and reliability.

Froggy's story is a reminder of the trade-offs that come with progress in the automotive industry. While newer models offer improved efficiency, safety, and technology, they sometimes lose the characteristics that made their predecessors so beloved. For those who value the driving experience as much as the destination, the shift away from V6 engines in vehicles like the Toyota RAV4 represents a significant loss. As the industry continues to evolve, it will be interesting to see how automakers address the desires of enthusiasts who still yearn for the power and performance of a V6 engine.

Update: After I published this article a Toyota enthusiast commented and wrote the Toyota RAV4 Prime's 302 horsepower can really outperform the beloved V6 engine of older models.

Armen Hareyan is the founder and the Editor in Chief of Torque News. He founded TorqueNews.com in 2010, which since then has been publishing expert news and analysis about the automotive industry. He can be reached at Torque News TwitterFacebookLinkedin, and Youtube. He has more than a decade of expertise in the automotive industry with a special interest in Tesla and electric vehicles.

Comments

Gwen E Pattarnon (not verified)    September 4, 2024 - 2:08AM

I totally agree with Froggy. My RAV4 goes back even further. I have 140k on my 2007 LTD RAV4. I bought it new. Other then routine maintenance, I have replaced the water pump 1 time. Best. Car. Ever. Everyone who is privileged enough to drive my car on occasion, raves about its power and handling. Despite opportunities, I have resisted replacing it. Can’t fix what ain’t broken!

Rick (not verified)    September 4, 2024 - 4:39PM

I also drive a 2011 Rav4 with the v6. I don't plan on getting rid of it any time soon. Interesting that 2 siblings have 4 cylinder versions and my hiway mileage matches theirs, likely due to the extra gear in my transmission. No comparison for power and smoothness.

Alan Maxted (not verified)    September 9, 2024 - 1:32PM

In reply to by Rick (not verified)

I have 2 Rav 4’s. I purchased both new. 2011 pearl white Rav 4 limited 207,000 miles. The other 2013 Rav 4 limited 72,000 miles. Best running card I’ve ever had. Just regular maintenance is the key. Holding on to the 2011 as my errand car. Short trips to store, dr, etc. My wife switched to the newer one but misses the pickup from the 2011 model. Keeping the 2011 car as my life insurance policy when I die. Hit with advanced cancer last year and hopefully car will cover it. Great car.

Tod Stiles (not verified)    September 6, 2024 - 4:20PM

My wife has a 2011 RAV4 with the 3.5 GR V6. I bought it for her new and we still have it after 13 years and 116,000 miles. Still runs and looks like new and no way are we giving it away or trading it in. Too bad Toyota took the V6 option away after 2012. Even the new 203hp-4 pales in comparison and the 219hp hybrid couldn’t touch it. But maybe in another ten years we’ll think about it.

Gary Vogt (not verified)    September 6, 2024 - 5:32PM

Own the 2015 Rav4. Bought it certified new low mileage. I now have 130,000 miles on odometer.
Did all recommend maintenance.
Runs and drives as originally purchased.
Good fuel mileage.
I will keep driving this for many years to come.
So convenient for shopping and traveling
A pleasure to drive. And peppy enough for me.
Also a Tacoma long term customer.
Thank you Toyota 😊

Steve (not verified)    September 9, 2024 - 5:57PM

In reply to by Gary Vogt (not verified)

Totally agree. I had a 2007 SPORT V6, with 300HP, it was an awesome small SUV, super toquey and fun to drive. Pretty much an exact copy of the Lexus at that time.
Traded it for a 2015 Limited, which is a nice car for a mom-mobile, but nowhere near as fun and the gas mileage barely got better.
I'm looking to trade again, the 2024 styling is nice on the wilderness, but 220 hp combined in the hybrid has me super concerned that I'm becoming an old person that can't merge on the highway for driving one.
I'm looking long and hard at options.

Lloyd dobbler (not verified)    September 10, 2024 - 12:17AM

In reply to by Gary Vogt (not verified)

I never drove a 6 cylinder Rav, but but did previously own 6 cylinder nissan maximas and a 6 cylinder subaru legacy and loved the power(maxima especially). Next car was a 4 cyl mazda cx5 and its lack of power sucked.

Just got a 4 cylinder 2024 hybrid RAV over the summer and I have been more than pleasantly surprised at how much pop it has, so you folks should test drive one. Not gonna say it's as fast as my maximas, but it responds faster and more reliably than my 6cylinder subaru(no lag when I step on it).

William A. Stashluk (not verified)    September 9, 2024 - 8:57AM

Same problem with Lexus RX450H, No V6! I occassionally tow 1 of 3 trailers i own with my car. The decrease in power to 4 cylinders does not seem reasonable when towing and I rather not have a larger vehicle. My current 2020 RX450h handles the job nicely. I still love it but would like to move to PHEV RX if it had a V6. Spot on with you article!

Eric (not verified)    September 9, 2024 - 1:11PM

I used to own a 2009 RAV4 with the V6.

The only great thing about that car was it's engine. Everything else was cheap or bland. The handling was awful - way to front-heavy (the V6 used the exact same suspension as the i4) and gas mileage was mediocre to just bad. The transmission was laggy and the steering was totally numb. The brakes also were soft and terrible and the pads/rotors had short lifespan (yes I know the way I drive matters but I have had many other cars and compared to those, this one chewed through brakes all the time.)
The interior was awful and cheap and had bad ergonomics - car was made for someone with really long arms and really short legs. The "leather" was a joke. The road noise was loud. The JBL stereo with a sub in the rear gate sounded awful and caused rattles.

I currently drive a Mazda cx5 with turbo and it is MILES better than the RAV4. This one is just as fast, but gets about 6-8mpg better efficiency. The steering, suspension and handling are amazing. It's reliability should be roughly on par with RAV4.

Harry Morris (not verified)    September 9, 2024 - 8:51PM

I own a 2011 Rav, V6 that just turned 195,000 miles. I am as happy with mine as Froggy is with his. I still get 25 mpg so I don't buy the gas mileage argument for going to a 4 cylinder. Great car, why Toyota didn't keep making it is beyond me.

Reg U Lation (not verified)    September 10, 2024 - 6:26AM

"...a broader industry trend aimed at improving fuel efficiency and reducing emissions."

An industry trend? Really?
Why do I keep reading articles that dance around the real villain? The EPA.

Toyota ditched the V8 for a disastrous V6 in the Tundra. Dropped the 6 for a 4 or a hybrid in the RAV. How long will it take them to ditch one of most reliable 4 cylinders on the earth, the 2.5L AR and replace it with a 2.0L Turbo? Honda has already mothballed their 400k mile K24 2.4L in favor of a 2.0L Turbo.

The EPA is destroying the US auto industry and slowly creating new problems for itself. 1. They are forcing consumers to purchase tiny underpowered and unreliable ICE vehicles. Eventually, US cars will be disposable after 100 k miles. 2. They are forcing consumers to purchase li-ion hybrids. These batteries typically have a 1000 cycle lifespan... About 8 years. Since the batteries cost more than the Ionic 5, the car becomes disposable. The Tesla model fairs slightly better with a battery replacement cost that is about 40-50% of the cost of a new vehicle. Many people will simply purchase a new car. I can't help but wonder what the insurance validation is on a totalled 8-year old Model 3.

Currently, li-ion batteries are not cost-neutral to recycle. Who will get stuck paying the difference? What will happen in 5-6 years when the volume of dead batteries exceeds the production speed of the recycling facilities?

The EPA continues the regulate dispute the fact that there are no good solutions. They are destroying the auto industry, damaging the economy, and hurting the consumers. They are the king that taxes the peasants to death.

Chris Bishop (not verified)    September 10, 2024 - 5:03PM

In reply to by Reg U Lation (not verified)

I have an 09 Highlander v6 with 351,000 miles on it and it still runs like a sewing machine. I would love to upgrade it as interior parts are starting to fail from use, but, it’s long paid for and too reliable to give up on.

JP (not verified)    September 10, 2024 - 10:32AM

While I understand people are upset about the shift in automotive trends, I feel like there is a misconception when it comes to 4-cylinder engines - especially those with forced induction. For a properly engineered and tuned v4, long gone are the days of smashing the accelerator to the floor. Power to weight ratio is also a huge factor. The new iforce motor is quite impressive, and quite smooth in terms of power delivery. I can make a direct comparison to Toyota's v6 as well as I've driven both. Long term durability of course is something to be seen but these 4 cylinder turbo motors are nothing new so I don't expect (barring poor manufacturing) any issues. I would implore folks to be a little more open minded and try before you make a judgment. It's not likely the auto industry is going to revert anyhow.

CLARA S HOWARD (not verified)    September 10, 2024 - 5:10PM

I love to travel, especially in the mountains, and I usually have other people and their liggage with me. The 4-cylinder cars/SUV's, including those turbo charged, cannot compete with the power and acceleration of a V-6. I, too, will hold on to my V-6 older model for as long as I can.

Mikey (not verified)    September 11, 2024 - 12:22AM

A modern Rav4 Prime has 302 horsepower and would blow the doors off of that V6. It's the fastest Toyota besides the Supra. Get with the times. I love my new Corolla Sport. Smooth as butter. Actually feels sporty with that new 2.0 engine, and the CVT has a feel that's somewhat like having a clutch instead of a traditional automatic. I'm on the fence about trading it in for a Rav4 Prime or Highlander Hybrid. One is more fun, and one is more practical. Neither are bad choices, though. Just because something was once good enough doesn't mean something better can't replace it.

Mike Purewal (not verified)    September 11, 2024 - 1:17PM

I purchased a Brand New Rav 4 in 2001. The reliability of the Rav is amazing. I've had it now for over 23 years, only 285,000 KM cause we have 3 vehicles. Original muffler, Original almost everything, only Fliud maintenances were done.
Spark pulgs were chamged at 200,000 KM's.
Other than the front power door locks, everything else still works like it did in 2001.
Only the front power door locks have to be done manually now.
The reliability of this compact suv is amazing. I have owned many other vehicles since 1990, But the Toyota Bannd is for me.
If your want reliability, buy in this order: Toyota, Honda, Suzuki.
Note; there might be a small chance a certain model of Toyota, or Honda let you down, but most models out performe all others Manufacturers.
If you want reliability stay away from Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Porsche, most German STATUS vehicles are disposable. Only for status and the rich. They can afford the expensive repairs and the steep depreation of the car.
I also personally know 2 automotive garage owners, They love the trouble making cars.
My next vehicle will be a Toyota again.

Victor Sy (not verified)    September 13, 2024 - 12:01AM

We have a 2008 Rav4 Sport Model V6. It's been our daily go-to vehicle for 16 years. Besides the usual maintenance, it's been trouble free. It has been one of my best car buys. :)