This week, we ran a story about an all-new 2023 Subaru Wilderness truck, and Subaru enthusiasts would buy it if Subaru of America built one. We read all the comments and came up with five common features fans want in a new truck. If Subaru makes it, they will come.
No CVT but a 6-speed manual
The number one feature fans do not want is an all-new 2023 Subaru truck with a Continuously Variable automatic Transmission (CVT). Many Subaru owners despise the CVT, and they don't want it in a Subaru pickup. Of course, it needs a 6-speed manual gearbox, and Subaru already has a good one in its Crosstrek subcompact SUV.
photo credit: Subtle Solutions @subtlesolutions
The reason Subaru keeps the CVT is because of two reasons; EyeSight and fuel mileage. Subaru hasn't been willing to spend the money to make EyeSight compatible with a manual transmission. And Subaru loves the CVT because it improves fuel efficiency.
Bring back the 3.6-liter Boxer but with a turbo
While the FA24 2.4-liter turbocharged Boxer engine would be a good fit for a new Subaru truck, many fans want a 6-cylinder engine with more horsepower for towing. The current 2.4-liter turbocharged engine in the Outback XT and Ascent family hauler produces 260 horsepower and 277 lb-ft of torque. Subaru could increase power in the FA24, but a 3.6-liter Boxer with a turbocharger would be a good option.
photo credit: KDesign AG (Kleber Silva)
5,000 lb. towing capacity
A Subaru truck has to have enough towing capacity to pull a midsize trailer. The new pickup would need to have at least 5,000 lbs towing capacity and up to 6,500 lbs.
Standard and Wilderness trim levels
If Subaru offered two trim levels, it would satisfy two types of buyers. The standard Premium trim level would be for those wanting a truck for light duties and powered by the 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine. The Subaru Wilderness trim level for heavy-duty, towing, and off-road recreation would come with a new 3.6-liter 6-cylinder turbocharged Boxer producing 300 horsepower.
Make it affordable
The new Subaru truck needs to be affordable. Subaru's loyal followers want a truck with a starting MSRP of around $29,000 for the Premium trim level. The top-trim Subaru Wilderness truck would have a starting price of $36,995 and could be fully loaded for just under $40,000.
Subaru's loyal fans have spoken, and they would buy a new 2023 Subaru Wilderness truck if it offered five things. They don't want a CVT, offer a 6-cylinder engine option; it must have at least 5,000 lb. towing capacity, two trim levels, and it must be affordable. The five features are doable. Are you listening Subaru?
Give us your thoughts and let Subaru of America know what you want in a new 2023 Subaru Wilderness truck in the comments below.
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I would definitely buy a
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I would definitely buy a Subaru truck . All of these suggestions are great, especially the manual transmission . I agree with 2 maybe 3 trim levels..base, mid, and wilderness . Also short and long beds . The one "major problem" Jeep has is NO standard or even Access Cab like it should have . Just having a crew cab is utterly stupid . I have seen, I believe, computer generated Jeep standard and access cabs and they are great. One last point is "affordability" . The average family or even person CAN NOT afford prices between $36,000 - $40,000 . My suggestion for affordability for the Wilderness Trim to "start" at maybe $29 -$31,500 range to make it affordable for the average person . Cause that is where Toyota and Jeep fail horribly..major flaw is affordability .
I would like to see this
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I would like to see this truck with a full size bed, small extended cab with a jump seat, and the 6 speed manual formerly used in the Forester.
I currently drive a 2016 Subaru Forester, 6 speed and it's fun to drive.
Given the discontinuation of the manual transmission in their vehicles that have enough headroom for me, I am disinclined to buy this brand when companies like Toyota are still making products suitable for me.
Subaru is NOT going to
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Subaru is NOT going to abandon the CVT. Therefore, this truck is not going to be produced to existing customers expectations, or it will be produced with everything that existing customers dislike. Even with lower sales numbers, Subaru continues to sell the Ascent with a CVT. The competition is learning from Subaru’s mistakes, and using it to crush them, even during a bad sales year for all manufacturers. This is going to be interesting to watch. If Subaru America is reading these comments, ditch the CVT altogether, make the 2.4 turbo available across the model line, and listen to your customers.
Why waste time/resources on a
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Why waste time/resources on a gasser. It should be an EV. Would address all issues listed in the article and unlike a gasser, would be a vehicle with little competition.
I love Subaru trucks. For 30
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I love Subaru trucks. For 30 years I owned Brats and Baja's. There are a glut of small trucks now. The Baja died because no one wanted it. What would make a new one any different? Long live the Baja!!!
Toyota owns 20% of Subaru.
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Toyota owns 20% of Subaru. Do you really think there's any chance they'll let Subaru build a direct competitor to the Tacoma?
I have owned 4 Subarus, 3 of
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I have owned 4 Subarus, 3 of which were manual. Last year I purchased a Crosstrek, but decided to buy it used as the new ones could only be purchased as a base model and you could only get a upgraded and larger engine model of you went with the CVT crap.
Subaru 3.6 was not a boxer,
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Subaru 3.6 was not a boxer, it was a V6
Would be first in line for
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Would be first in line for the new Subaru truck with the full tow package. We own numerous Subaru’s and would love to add the truck to our collection.
I was gonna get a tacoma as
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I was gonna get a tacoma as my next vehicle, but I'd buy a subaru truck first.
If Subaru makes a truck, it
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If Subaru makes a truck, it isn't going to be offered with a 6spd manual simply because 8000-10000 people want it but half would actually but it. They really just need an 8-10spd auto which they probably won't do. If they make a pickup again, it'll be based off the Outback(as was the Baha and this will also probably be a Baha) and it'll only have a CVT with no other options for transmissions
All Subaru should have the
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All Subaru should have the option of manual transmission
I own 2012 outback and 2017 forester
Will run them into the ground before I give them up
Why would Subaru waste their
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Why would Subaru waste their time designing this truck when the rest of the world is going electric. Combustion engines are the dustier and they risk being left behind with a move like this.
I currently own a 2010 xterra
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I currently own a 2010 xterra and a 2018 impreza. My xterra replacement will be either electric or plug in hybrid. For reasons of fuel costs and ecological impact. A small pick up with plug in hybrid would be appealing.
Small displacement Diesel
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Small displacement Diesel engine. 6 speed manual. Subaru all wheel drive yes please.
I just bought a 2022 FORD
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I just bought a 2022 FORD MAVERICK awd with the fx4 package on it for the same reasons people gave here: Finally, and affordable truck with good gas mileage (my awd fx4 gets 30 consistently....the fwd hybrid is rated at 42mpg) for less than 30k all included.
I almost bought a Wilderness Outback, until I saw the $40,800 price tag. We currently own a 2020 Crosstrek and love it! But......BUT....it needs a turbo. FOR CHRISTS SAKE, EVERYONE WANTS THE TURBO OPTION. I don't think most companies actually listen to consumers.
I agree with 6 speed and
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I agree with 6 speed and should offer a 2 and 4 door options. The engine should be a 4 cyl and 6cyl with a turbo as a possibility. Nice truck appearance in the images! I love my Outback and would welcome a truck to the lineup!
Of course they want all these
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Of course they want all these things at a ridiculous low price of $30K. Like most consumers they live in their minds of a previous time where workers make a minimum wage and no company makes a profit.
A Subaru truck would be OK, I
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A Subaru truck would be OK, I could put it in my bed as ballast for my F350 when the roads are slick. None of what's mentioned fits my definition of a truck. Sorry.
I want a Toyota truck, but
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I want a Toyota truck, but would strongly consider an all wheel drive Subaru truck.
I do think it would be fun,
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I do think it would be fun, but I agree with the rendering mishap comment... it still bears Hennessey's "Velociraptor" badge below the passenger door.... I would buy a Subaru pickup for my wife if they came out with one. Standard trans or cvt.
Dont forget to make sure its
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Dont forget to make sure its not a uni body and has a frame. Maybe a box the frame. 6 lug axles.
3.5 towing v6 Diesel I would
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3.5 towing v6 Diesel I would seriously think about it
If you really want this to be
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If you really want this to be a real truck, then it needs to have a true 4wd drive train, with optional rear locker.
For anyone who knows anything
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For anyone who knows anything about automotive OEM supply chains the time for the above wish list was 3/5 years ago. If Subaru is bringing out a truck it’s design is already in the oven. By all means keep the suggestions coming but know that won’t affect the launch in any material way
Sharing price needs to match
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Sharing price needs to match the new hybrid engine Ford Maverick @ $20k. $30k is a lot more just to get a Subaru truck.
Sounds good to me
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Sounds good to me
It's not going to hit
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It's not going to hit anything out of the park. The Japanese don't know how to make trucks period.
A strong 6 or 8 speed
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A strong 6 or 8 speed Automatic a must. Manual, no need. I know nobody that has a manual anymore. CVT is garbage. +300hp a must. Towing ability a must.
Lower the truck a few inches.
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Lower the truck a few inches...I’m older an cannot get in and out of the hi profile vehicles.
Pagination