Toyota, we have a problem.
That’s what Tundra owners are saying. If you own a Toyota Tundra pickup or are considering buying one, Toyota has issues with the truck's 3.5-liter twin-turbo V6 engine. How serious is the problem?
Toyota has initiated a massive recall for the 2022 and 2023 Tundra, with plans to replace nearly 100,000 Tundra engines. This recall, estimated to cost between $300 and $500 million, is a significant undertaking. Read my report here for more details. However, there may be problems with the 2024 model year as well.
What are truck owners saying?
Micheal Bordenaro, a truck expert, shared a warning on his TikTok channel (@curmudge.inn.alask) about the 2024 Toyota Tundra pickup.
Micheal says this is surprising but increasingly common problem as more 2024 Tundra owners come forward with engine issues. In his video, he says there are more Toyota Tundra engine failures, and owners are selling their trucks before the warranty expires.
"You hear that?" he says over the sound of a rattling Tundra engine. "That's another dead Tundra, 2024."
Toyota recalls 2022 and 2023 Tundra trucks, but Michael says he sees more 2024 Tundras with the same problem.
He says, "I can't believe I'm making another video on more 2024 Tundras with cooked engines. That's right. The spun main bearings are just like this one here that was heard."
Tundras are depreciating fast.
Third-gen Tundras (produced since 2022) are depreciating faster than they should. This alarming trend is leading owners to sell their new Tundras before they're out of warranty, potentially affecting their resale value.
He says, "Third-gen Tundras depreciate faster than EVs after an EMP pulse. Yeah, let that sink in. People are dumping these new Tundras before they're out of warranty."
What are Tundra owners saying?
Michael says the latest cooked Tundra was a 2024 Tundra TRD. The owner says. "2024 Tundra is knocking badly. Did it happen to anyone else?"
Here is a comment from a Tundra owner named Chris.
He says, "Well, my blown engine nightmare continues. The (Toyota) dealership rebuilt my engine in 20 days, and when I went to pick it up, every piece on the front end of the truck had some scratch on it. Obviously dragged on the shop floor."
The Toyota dealer agreed to fix it, and Chris had to have his truck in the body shop to replace the grille. After he got the truck back, he noticed they broke the volume knob off. "So, back in the shop for another 3-4 days. And I'm supposed to trust these people to rebuild my engine?" he says.
Chris says, "The service manager at the dealership said that Toyota has him 'under the gun' and under "strict timeline' to get the truck back to me. So it sounds like Toyota was rushing the truck back to me to avoid having it in the shop for 30 days to avoid a buyback." My state law says it's a lemon if it's in the shop for 30 days for the same issue."
Michael tells Toyota, "If you want this problem to disappear, take care of your customers. Do the right thing. You built an inferior product for $60,000 to $80,000, fix it … or give him a new truck. You eat the cost."
Toyota is eating the cost.
A report from Automotive News says that Toyota would not say how much each engine replacement costs. However, based on what Toyota budgeted for the safety recall (announced in July), the cost per vehicle is expected to be about $3,000 to $5,000.
Toyota estimates the Tundra engine replacement recall will cost them between $300 and $500 million.
What is the problem with the Tundra engine failure?
In the 2022 and 2023 Tundra pickup and Lexus LX SUV models with the V35A twin-turbo 3.4-liter V-6 engine, internal passages in either block or cylinder heads were improperly cleaned. Small chips of metal, called "swarf," a result of the machining process, remained inside the engine after assembly.
The presence of these metal chips poses a serious risk. If they break loose, they can contaminate the engine's oil, leading to severe internal damage and potentially causing the engine to seize. This is a safety concern, especially if the vehicle stalls in traffic. Nearly 1,000 engines made in two Toyota plants have already failed due to this issue.
It appears now that the 2024 Tundra has the same issue. It's important to note that Toyota has not issued a recall for the 2024 Tundra.
2022-2023 Tundra owners will get their trucks fixed first, but they'll have a long wait.
Toyota has to replace the defective engines with new ones. Each engine replacement will require between 13 to 21 hours to complete. With 100,000 engines being replaced, many customers will be waiting to get the work done.
Toyota says it will supply nearly complete engine assemblies, including turbochargers, pulleys, tensioners, and other components, to its dealers to save technicians time in the Tundra engine replacement process.
What should Tundra customers do now?
Tundra owners are concerned because it could affect the trucks' resale value before they get the engine replacement. Michael says some Tundra owners are selling their trucks before the warranty expires. However, Tundra owners need to know, they will get their trucks fixed because Toyota has to replace the Tundra engine under the new recall.
Tundra owners can check the NHTSA website here for recall information.
What's next for Tundra owners?
Toyota plans to notify customers in either late November or early December so that they can begin scheduling engine replacements. The recall will be launched officially in December.
Will Tundra customers get loaner vehicles while their truck is in the shop?
Toyota says they are paying for loaner trucks for customers. However, some stores may have a shortage. Steve Gates, owner of Gates Auto Family, a 13-store group with three Toyota dealerships, says he does not keep pickups in his store's loaner fleet but said he'll move some from his new vehicle inventory to give customers what they need while their vehicles are in the shop.
It's Your Turn.
Do you own a 2022, 2023, or 2024 Toyota Tundra pickup? Have you experienced any engine problems? If so, click the red Add New Comment link below and let us know.
I am Denis Flierl, a Senior Torque News Reporter since 2012. My 30+ year tenure in the automotive industry, initially in a consulting role with every major car brand and later as a freelance journalist test-driving new vehicles, has equipped me with a wealth of knowledge. I specialize in reporting the latest automotive news and providing expert analysis on Subaru, which you'll find here, ensuring that you, as a reader, are always well-informed and up-to-date. Follow me on my X SubaruReport, All Subaru, WRXSTI, @DenisFlierl, Facebook, and Instagram.
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No 5.7, no purchase. I'm…
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No 5.7, no purchase. I'm keeping my 2015 as long as possible. Seems more feasible to get a personal loan and refresh the old truck than buy a new Tundra that doesn't have a good powertrain.
Ditto. They wouldn't be…
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In reply to No 5.7, no purchase. I'm… by Datawrecker (not verified)
Ditto. They wouldn't be having these issues if they would have stuck with the legendary 5.7L.
Thank the epa. And…
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In reply to Ditto. They wouldn't be… by 10mm lost socket (not verified)
Thank the epa. And government guidelines.
That's not true at all. The…
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In reply to Ditto. They wouldn't be… by 10mm lost socket (not verified)
That's not true at all. The problem with these engines isn't the engine. It's the poor machining practices during manufacturing. If they were still making the 5.7, the same lazy machine operator would have left metal chips in that engine too.
Don't you believe any of it…
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In reply to That's not true at all. The… by Brian (not verified)
Don't you believe any of it fact is they should put the 5.7 back in them and leave it alone
I had a 2008 5.7 with 210k…
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In reply to No 5.7, no purchase. I'm… by Datawrecker (not verified)
I had a 2008 5.7 with 210k on it. Bought a 2019 5.7 with 60k 2 months ago. I wanted to stay with the 5.7. Very glad I did.
Yup same with me and my 15…
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In reply to No 5.7, no purchase. I'm… by Datawrecker (not verified)
Yup same with me and my 15 Ram 5.7, I'm just gonna keep it
I own a 2023 Tundra I-Force…
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I own a 2023 Tundra I-Force Max, which is currently not under the recall. But I wouldn’t have bought if I knew how bad the gas mileage is in this truck. It is rated for 19-22, 20 combined per the window sticker. I drive mostly highway and this is impossible to get close to. My best is 17-18 if I baby it, but my typical is 15-16. My past F150s always got the window sticker mileage.
My '99 K1500 Suburban…
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In reply to I own a 2023 Tundra I-Force… by Jason Bazala (not verified)
My '99 K1500 Suburban averages 18 highway. My '94 W/T1500 averaged 23 highway, spiked 26 frequently. My '06 W/T1500 averaged 20. Regeared it and then averaged 22. The only way to have a full-size that can consistently return drastically better is a mid-1980s 6.2 diesel. You're automatically at a disadvantage choosing a Toyota instead of a GM.
I’ve found moving gear…
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In reply to I own a 2023 Tundra I-Force… by Jason Bazala (not verified)
I’ve found moving gear selector to Manual shift and keeping it in selection 6 eliminates transmission breaking allowing vehicle to coast more freely. I have a 2019 TRD Tundra off road. This one change of habit caused a mpg increase from 17 to 20. My driving is mostly 4 lane in east Tennessee.
Same here. Is terrible on…
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In reply to I own a 2023 Tundra I-Force… by Jason Bazala (not verified)
Same here. Is terrible on gas. I bought a 2024 hybrid i-max force, I drive 75$ highway and 25 city and I'm not even close to your numbers. My best number were when I just pump gas and reset the trip and I gave 16.5 after that is 13 or 13.4 but I never got over 14 combined. I don't have idea from where toyota get those number on mpg. They are way off from the window sticker.
I have a 2024 hybrid Toyota…
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I have a 2024 hybrid Toyota tundra with 8000 miles and I’m getting transmission shutter between 35 and 50 mph. Also, once in a while, I will get a loud clunk from the rear end almost like it is a U joint or a rear differential problem. I have notified Toyota they took it for a test drive and could not duplicate the problem. In addition to the above, on the top of the truck in the valley where the water runs down above the driver’s door, I have small hairline cracks in the paint and Toyota agreed to paint that section and it is in the shop now. I am not happy! My tundra that I had before this was a 2016 never had a problem at all and I should’ve never gotten rid of it.I plan on getting rid of this truck as soon as I can.
I changed oil in my 2024 SR5…
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I changed oil in my 2024 SR5 Crewmax at 3,000mi, first time to get metals out.. Warranty only gives. 2 oil changes at 10,000mi. I change my first at 3,000 and every 5,000 thereafter. Toyota taking shortcuts is costing them.
Sir, the dollar amount that…
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Sir, the dollar amount that Toyota is on the hook for is way off. Each engine replaced costs a minimum of $18,000.00 thats not including labor whic is $180 per hour. This recall will cost them around $2.2 billion. They are replacing every 3.5 turbo engine, including those in the land cruiser.
I bought a 23 Tundra. I had…
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I bought a 23 Tundra. I had just retired and we bought a small camper and bought the Tundra to pull it. The engine issue is the third recall on the vehicle. Obviously with the potential for engine failure w haven't been able to go camping since received the latest recall. I'm so deeply disappointed in Toyota.
I wouldn't sweat it Toyota…
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I wouldn't sweat it Toyota will get it fixed.they have the best warranty and product in the market.I was a Toyota master tech the in the eighties and nineties. Great product I own a 2016 tundra with176,k on it with, 5.7. I've owned Toyotas since 1984 and that's all I drive.
I have bought 15 new Toyotas…
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In reply to I wouldn't sweat it Toyota… by Wes hurd (not verified)
I have bought 15 new Toyotas, 3 new Rams and owned well over 100 old Toyotas.
Toyota USA is the problem. Toyota USA won't take care of as many people as they do. I quit buying non Japanese Toyota's after a long list of issues with their vehicles and lack of support.
Everything is trash now, buy what you like and deal with the problems.
I own a 2024 Tundra 1794. My…
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I own a 2024 Tundra 1794. My engine feels like it's not set equal. It shakes at times. It's kind of loud in the cab. I took it to two different dealerships. They both said that's how it was built. They should either replace the engine or replace the truck.
Same truck and same issue. I…
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In reply to I own a 2024 Tundra 1794. My… by Sid (not verified)
Same truck and same issue. I'll get on the freeway and the vibration ia crazy at the point maybe I should pull over. About two miles in, it will be back to normal. Happened three times now. Bought truck late Sept 24, engine made June 2024. Only have 421 miles on it.
No offense, but, ya bought a…
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In reply to I own a 2024 Tundra 1794. My… by Sid (not verified)
No offense, but, ya bought a pickup truck. It's not gonna be as smooth as a car or suv. These engines are also inherently noisy especially especially the new tacomas when the purge valve kicks in.
Owned a 2023 TRD Pro Hybrid…
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Owned a 2023 TRD Pro Hybrid. Yes the hybrids will fail as well. Engine failed at 19500 miles. Took the dealer 2.5 months to replace the motor with a short block and yes they pulled the entire front end out the truck. I got the truck back and drove it for 4 weeks and put 500 miles on it before the engine failed again. Needless to say I had enough and got rid of it. Anything short of a whole new crate motor is unacceptable and will result in a second failure. Do not accept a short block and be sure they replace it with a new crate engine.
Own a 2000 5.7 Tundra for…
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In reply to Owned a 2023 TRD Pro Hybrid… by Chris R (not verified)
Own a 2000 5.7 Tundra for 22yrs. Built in Japan. All orginal.
170k miles. Orginal drive train and paint.
Besides normal *fluid and *filter changes, brakes, batteries, couple sets of plugs, one starter, 2 timing belts, that's it. She's quiet and smooth. Not a rattle. I've asked my wife to bury me in it. Sorry for all the issues you all are experiencing with new Tundras.
Having a dealer R&R and brand new engine is absolutely the worse case scenario. I'm 79 yrs old and learned my lessons about dealers, mostly the hard way. If I couldn't bail b4 the engine swap, certainly after. I want no part of a dealers
engine swap!
Good luck.
Purchased a brand new April…
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Purchased a brand new April 2023 Toyota tundra in Deerfield Beach, Florida, and drove it home to Fort Myers Florida and it broke down. Engine failure at 163 miles and fire. I believe the fire was from the starter, trying to restart the engine, but Toyota never let me know exactly what happened. sat in the shop for 40 days without being touched so I started the lemon law process. There was no way I was gonna take that truck back and they kept insisting that I was. The Florida law forced them to buy me a new truck, but it still took me a full year to finalize everything. This was one of my main trucks for my company. I struggled with using a rental for my Electrical company for 8 months. In the summer, it pretty much rains every day where my tools are. My story goes on and on and I will leave it at this. This is now my fifth Tundra and Toyota didn’t even offer or pay any truck payments, extended warranty, discounts, free oil changes, and I had to fight them to pay me for my rental, which makes no sense.
Hi Denis I have a 2022 sr5…
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Hi Denis
I have a 2022 sr5 TRD OR tundra purchased Jan 11 2022 with 115k+ miles
It's part of the recall
I don't care
I drive the snot out of it
No issues here
Just a bunch of fun miles
Full boost!
I'd love to sell my truck to an automotive media outlet to study/tear down the motor....it would be interesting to see what's going on in my motor & why it has not failed
Earlier this year, I went…
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Earlier this year, I went out looking for a new Tundra. When I found out 2021 was the last year they made the V8s, I went to Carmax to find a 2021
I love my Tundra and feel bad for those that thought a turbo V6 was going to be any good. I still believe Toyota makes the best vehicles on the road. Too bad the Tundra name has a blemish on it now.
Toyota should have never…
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Toyota should have never stop putting their v8 engines in the tundra have a 2018 best truck I've ever owned in a half ton pickup
Have a 23 hybrid no problems…
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Have a 23 hybrid no problems at 41000 miles. Will my engine be replaced as well? I was told for some reason the hybrid is different. No hybrid is in addition...
I own a 99 4Runner and a 02…
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I own a 99 4Runner and a 02 Tacoma both with the 3.4 and they are both better than anything new. Can't believe how far the producer of the most reliable and useful vehicles on the planet has fallen.
I’m not sure if this is…
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I’m not sure if this is blown out of proportion but Al I can sway is bmw are the biggest POs out there with blown motor left to right since their e46 m3 and no one making a report about it . I think all the editor are just trying to take down Nissan and Toyota . When it’s a European car or a domestic car that has issue everyone would sugarcoat it but if it’s Nissan and Toyota it’s announce all over the media .
This article is ridiculous…
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This article is ridiculous.
Hang on to your Tundra and wait for a new engine from Toyota. NEW, not rebuilt. In the mean time, keep driving it. They are all covered.
Pagination