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Honda Tech Says, “I Would Never Buy This Model Year Honda Odyssey, This Vehicle Is a Blemish On the Brand”

Should you buy a used Honda Accord, Pilot, Ridgeline, or Odyssey? If you do, read this first. A Honda tech says you should avoid certain model years. Here are the details of what every Honda owner or potential Honda buyer should know.  

Are all Honda vehicles reliable?

According to a recent report from Consumer Reports, 'How the Brands Stack Up,' Honda is among the most reliable models. They are fourth out of twenty-two automakers. However, not all of its models are reliable, according to an expert Honda tech who possesses extensive knowledge in this field. 

I stumbled upon a report about Honda's reliability issues while researching the subject. Sherwood (@royaltyautoservice), whose motto is 'Test, Don't Guess,' offers invaluable advice for Honda owners and buyers looking to purchase a used Honda.

He says,

"This is why we don't ever recommend buying these Honda models," Sherwood, with his extensive experience, advises. 'You will end up with major issues. This isn't the first stranded traveler we've had with this issue."

In his TikTok video, he talks about a 2014 Honda Odyssey in the shop with significant engine issues. He says this is just one of four popular Honda models you should know about, especially if you are buying a used Honda Accord, Pilot, Ridgeline, or Odyssey. 

All Honda Models Are Not Reliable

Sherwood says, "This is a Honda that I would never recommend. This is a 2014 Honda Odyssey with a 3.5-liter engine that had a tuneup done at 100,000 miles, about 6,000 miles ago, and had the spark plugs replaced." 

Sherwood holds up one of the spark plugs and says, "This is what a good one looks like; it's from one of the good cylinders." It looks new and clean. 

He holds up another one of the spark plugs and says, "This is one from cylinder three." The spark plug is black, and the copper electrode is nearly gone. He says this one is totally oil-fouled."

"With a few more thousand miles, they get totally carboned up and are worthless. The thing is, Honda extended the warranty on this vehicle because of this very issue."

"This is one of the problem vehicles that Honda has. Don't get me wrong, I love Honda. They have always made great cars for decades. But this Odyssey is a blemish on Honda, to me."

Honda Extended the Warranty Due To a Class-Action Lawsuit

He continues, "Because they did extend the warranty on this car, so they went 8 years unlimited miles, which you would think, ok, that will cover it".

"However, here is the problem. The extended warranty Honda offers has certain criteria, and the owner has to jump through hoops to get coverage for this problem."

"The owner had to have the car misfire to set a warning code. So when the dealer pulled the misfire code, they would check each spark plug. When they find the fouled plug, the tech puts in three new spark plugs and then reprograms the engine's computer."

"So, they haven't fixed anything. The engine's problem is that the faulty piston rings are causing an oil consumption problem. Reprogramming the computer does not fix the rings." 

"Then, after they do that, it has to develop a failed engine code for a second time. So, if the vehicle is approaching anywhere close to being eight years old, the customer is out of luck. The extended warranty sounded good: 8 years and unlimited miles. But it wasn't good."     

"I feel like Honda set this up so that people are out of the warranty period before it has to be fixed." 

Which Honda Odyssey Vehicles Have This Problem?

Sherwood says, "I know it was 2008 through 2013. This vehicle is a 2014, and it's having problems. So, 2014s are involved in this too.

What Other Honda Models Should Customers Be Aware Of?

He says, "This includes the Honda Accord, Pilot, Ridgeline, and Odyssey. Anything with a 3.5-liter engine in it." 

I checked on Reddit, and multiple Honda owners are discussing this problem. 

One Accord owner says, I have a 2010 Honda Accord 3.5L V6 with 147,000 miles – I have owned the car for 10 years and have always had regular maintenance and oil changes.

I had trouble with oil fouling the spark plugs a couple of years ago, causing a misfire in Cylinder number 3.

I had a test over 5000 miles that showed no sign of fouling after the spark plugs were replaced; the oil was changed to a higher-quality synthetic prior to this test. This was a couple of years ago. The car has been good since – probably 20,000 miles with no issues.

I recently drove through a lot of rain on a 350-mile round trip, and on the return trip, about 300 miles after the excessive rain, my car began to miss. Flashing the engine light, I slowed down and finished the last 30 miles of the trip. I had felt this feeling before.

I took my car to my local Honda dealer, where I had the previous tests completed, and spark plugs in cylinders 1, 2, and 3 were all extracted and fouled with "quite a bit" of oil.

Honda diagnosed the problem as misaligned piston rings, allowing oil to reach the plugs and foul them in those three cylinders.

They quoted me $2900 to disassemble the engine down to the point where they could replace those three pistons sets of rings.

Honda Extends the Warranty on the Odyssey, Pilot, and Ridgeline

According to a TSB report from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Honda extended the warranty on some 2016-2018 3.5-liter V6 Odyssey, Pilot, and Ridgeline models due to a class-action lawsuit. However, the extension did not address the underlying problem. 

Explanation:

  • In 2013, a class-action lawsuit was filed against Honda over the VCM/ECO technology, a system designed to improve fuel efficiency by deactivating cylinders when not needed, in 3.5-liter V6 engines. 
  • The lawsuit alleged that the VCM operation caused high oil consumption and misfires in 1.6 million vehicles between 2008 and 2013. 
  • Honda extended the warranty on these vehicles but did not fix the problem. 
  • The extension covered repairs for 10 years from the original purchase date or 150,000 miles, whichever came first. 
  • Owners of affected vehicles were sent a notification. 

The lawsuit also included vehicles from 2005 to 2007 with similar issues, including damaged transmission torque converters, fouled spark plugs, and excessive oil consumption. 

Final Thoughts and Questions For Honda Owners

It's well documented that particular Honda model years had engine issues, such as the Honda Accord, Pilot, Odyssey, and Ridgeline vehicles with 3.5-liter engines. If you purchase one of these vehicles used, have a certified tech check it out before you buy it. Or you may want to avoid it altogether.

How About You?

Are you a Honda Accord, Pilot, Odyssey, or Ridgeline owner, and have you experienced these issues with your vehicle? If so, click the red Add New Comment link below and let us know.

Check out my Honda report titled; I’m Driving a Paid Off 10 Year Old Honda CR-V Because It Costs Nothing to Run and Who Wants a $500 Per Month Car Payment?

I am Denis Flierl, a Senior Torque News Reporter since 2012. My 30+ year tenure in the automotive industry, initially in a consulting role with every major car brand and later as a freelance journalist test-driving new vehicles, has equipped me with a wealth of knowledge. I specialize in reporting the latest automotive news and providing expert analysis on Subaru, which you'll find here, ensuring that you, as a reader, are always well-informed and up-to-date. Follow me on my X SubaruReportAll Subaru, WRXSTI, @DenisFlierlFacebook, and Instagram.

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Comments

Rob (not verified)    February 14, 2025 - 9:54PM

Yup. 2013 Honda odyssey. This exact problem got me. 10.5 years old at the time of repair and 135,000 miles. Cost me over $5,000 to fix and I was without a vehicle for over a week. It is absolute crap that issues like this exist and nothing gets done about it.

David Craig (not verified)    February 14, 2025 - 10:37PM

Do these issues plague Acura’s too? I owned a 2007 Acura 3.5 RL SHAWD, and had to change fouled spark plugs more than once. I was never made aware that there were so many Honda’s with 3.5 Liter engines experiencing the same problems. The main difference with my RL, is that I didn’t have cylinder deactivation. I finally had to sell it because I started having problems with broken motor mounts. I’m a very conservative driver, so why these mounts started breaking, I have no idea. The technications only explanation was that when one broke, the imbalance caused the others to break. After replacing all 5 motor mounts and spending several thousands of dollars it was time to get rid of it. It only had 106,455 miles on it, but before I was able to sell it, the A/C broke down. I almost had to give it away. I never purchased another Acura product. I went across the street and purchased a new 2014 Lexus LS460, and I’m still driving it 96,000 trouble free miles later.

Linda -Sue Darling (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 12:55AM

I have a used 2013 Honda Pilot exl. I love it. I got it an oil change 1/10/25. A day later the oil pressure light comes on but goes off on its own. It does this repeatedly over next few days while in traffic moving and while in traffic idling. 8 days later (1/18/25) the check engine light illuminates on the dash. A local mechanic says start with a new oil change. I get a new one like told. The oil pressure light eventually goes off. The check engine remains. The codes read P3400 valve pause shut off stuck ( changed last year ) and p0523 a/c switch. Have you seen something like this ever?

Pat (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 3:04PM

In reply to by Linda -Sue Darling (not verified)

My son’s friend in high school dropped a rubber band into the oil filler hole of his mom’s car and my 65 F100 Truck…..mine for an experiment. The rubber band in the 65 was pulled into the oil intake screen on the oil pump. But did not stop oil from being picked up. BUT on his mom’s car it ruined the engine in a very short amount of time…….

Mydaddy (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 1:03AM

I have a 2014 Honda Odyssey with 155,357 miles on it. The only mechanic problem I ever had was two weeks ago, a gasket leaking oil onto the alternator, killing it. After researching, this is a common problem with the Odyssey, even the tow truck driver said "alternator" when I told him, the battery light came on and the car died. I arrived at a shop before the tow driver arrived, the guy at the counter asked me what the problem was, I explained to him what happened, before I can say, "Honda Odyssey", he said, "Odyssey"? I am happy with the van, over 150,000 miles and this was the only mechanical issue.

Abed (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 5:39AM

Yes, I totally agree. I have the same problem with my Honda Odyssey 2011. The car was 10 years old at the purchase and there is nothing I could do. The mechanic asked $4500 to fix the problem.

Dawn Sample (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 7:00AM

My 2016 Honda Odyssey w only 74,000 miles had this issue below that costs 5,000 to fix. I have decided to purchase a new car vs dumping more money into this car. Disappointed as Honda is supposed to be reliable. That same day, a 2012 Honda Pilot came in with only 70,000 miles w the same issue, both Honda in Frisco, Texas.

A "P0303" code (misfire on cylinder 3) accompanied by a fouled spark plug with oil on cylinder 3 most likely indicates a problem with the valve seals on that cylinder, causing excessive oil to enter the combustion chamber and foul the spark plug, leading to a misfire

Bill O'Rights (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 8:22AM

Look up VCM disabling parts like the S-VCM. They are simple to install and prevent the motor from activating the VCM. It costs 1-2 MPG in fuel efficiency, but saves your piston rings. I installed an S-VCM when we bought our Odyssey around 36,000 miles, and it's good as gold with no piston ring issues or oil-fouled spark plugs after 120,000 more miles over the last 5 years.

Jason (not verified)    February 16, 2025 - 9:28AM

In reply to by Bill O'Rights (not verified)

This is the fix. We had the same problem on our 2013 Odyssey. After 2 tune ups with fouled plugs, I found the device that deletes the engine cylinder cut off. I personally haven't noticed much MPG decrease and it has worked flawless for 2yrs now. The $150 device took 5 minutes to install and is worth it in my opinion.

Mark D (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 9:15AM

2016 Odyssey
189k miles and just recently all my engine lights came on and I could tell is was missfiring. Plug #3 was throwing the most codes. Service department said I needed new piston rings with a cost of $6,500. I took it somewhere else and the gave me a complete tune up and changed the coil on #3 for $890. It's running great right now but.if it is the rings then I'm sure the issue will return.

Johnny (not verified)    February 16, 2025 - 7:46AM

In reply to by Mark D (not verified)

The piston rings might be ok, but you need a vcm muzzle.
There's 2 types, one that goes on a sensor that you can take off if you need to take it to the shop, and one you hard install.
Whenever it says it's in eco mode, the vcm has kicked in and turns off some cylinders. Except it doesn't do it right, and there's a pressure buildup sometimes, which barely stretches the piston rings, causing oil to leak in just a tiny bit.
The more often you pop in and out of eco mode, the faster it wears out.
We had the same issue, and got a muzzle for the vcm, and replaced all the spark plugs.
Well, we tried replacing the one that was oily and charred with a cheap one, and it failed 1 months later, oily and charred again.
So we installed the muzzle, and replaced all the spark plugs with high quality ones, and 3 months later it's running smoother than it ever did.

Liza (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 9:33AM

I recently have had this happening to my 2008 Hknda Odessy and I had all spark plugs changed and it did it again check engine light flashing error code misfire 3 and had one mechanic say I was leaking oil but I have no oil leaking so I am at a loss. My van is paid for and have routine oil changes ever since I got the van I'm the 2nd owner

Joe (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 9:38AM

I have a 2015 Honda odyssey which isn't covered in the class action lawsuit but definitely still has the issue. Had the engine code come up and sure enough it was the piston ring that needed to be replaced. Cost $3000 to repair at dealership. Was furious with Honda and was going to sell the van. But due to costs of buying something to replace the van researched if there's any fix for the issue and found a third party selling a VCMTUNER device to disable the ECO mode that turns on VCM. The van has been working great since then.

Paul (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 12:36PM

In reply to by Joe (not verified)

Same, started to get weird codes related to emissions and cylinder failing to turn off, around 130k miles on a 2016 odyssey, checked the oil and it was super low after recently changing it, this all started after the wife went on a little road trip with lots of highway cruising ECO mode. Apparently buildup due to cylinders being deactivated fouls up rings allowing the deactivated cylinders to suck oil. Get a VCM Tuner installed as early as possible on any of these VCM Eco models. I was lucky to catch it sucking oil and not blowing through spark plugs, but if you stop the ECO mode earlier I'm sure you'll prevent a lot. Of course no one ever sees any of this info till the van starts throwing codes

A vosti (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 9:59AM

I drove our 2008 Odyssey for 10 years around town and regular road trips. No issues! I’m 7 years into my current one! I guess I’ll count my blessings!

Emily Stewart (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 9:59AM

This is the exact issue I have been having with my 2015 Odyssey. I've spent about $6000 over the past 4 years making repairs that are going to continue to need repairing. It's maddening. I drove a 2004 Accord for 12 years with no problems, completely trusted Honda. Now I'll never buy another one.

Mile Goldberg (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 11:52AM

What good is a 10 year warranty on a 11+y.o. car?
Does this affect anyone today?
Why was this written?

Aaron (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 12:11PM

Like others in the comments I use a vcm disable device in my 2014 Odyssey. No issue, smoother running, yes it costs 1-2 mpg but well worth the sacrifice.
Vcmtuner dot com

Triple T (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 2:32PM

We have a 2016 Odyssey that developed the same engine issue r/t the VCM/ECO at 140k miles. The dealer quoted us $5k to replace the piston rings for 3 cylinders on one side because they are done as a kit. We found a local mechanic who is Honda certified who did it for $3k. He said he does this repair a couple of times a month on these vehicles. Needless to say our faith in Honda, which we have bought from for the last 25 years, is lost. Time to buy from a different brand!

Triple T (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 2:36PM

We have a 2016 Odyssey that developed the same engine issue r/t the VCM/ECO at 140k miles. The dealer quoted us $5k to replace the piston rings for 3 cylinders on one side because they are done as a kit. We found a local mechanic who is Honda certified who did it for $3k and installed a muzzle to disable the VCM, so it doesn't happen again. He said he does this repair a couple of times a month on these vehicles. Needless to say our faith in Honda, which we have bought from for the last 25 years, is lost. Time to buy from a different brand!

Chantelle (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 2:44PM

1 of my in-laws boyfriend is a well seasoned mechanic and Honda lover. I wanted Chrysler or Toyota van, but didn't know much about the different issues with certain models. Cheaper repairs are a must because I'm on the low income spectrum. He talked me into getting a Honda and I have had nothing but problems with this vehicle since I got it. No other vehicle has given me such issues and I think I've put more into it and still owe over $10,000... Reading this is making sense to me now but wishing I did more research before purchased the vehicle.

D Smith (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 3:15PM

All it takes is a $150 VCM defeat device and 10 minutes of time to completely eliminate the concern. I did it with hours before it became a problem. A simple search will tell you how to do it and where to buy.

Jacqueline (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 3:18PM

I have a 2016 Honda Odyssey that I bought new and am having these issues now. I have under 100,000 miles on my vehicle and was never notified about this. Thank you so much for writing this article.

DeAnna Grogg (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 3:41PM

Just thought I'd reply as a Honda owner for more than 30 years. Just unloaded a 2017 Honda Odyssey bought new. All service work done at Honda dealership as factory schedule. At 54,000 engine misfire on cylinders 1,2,3 dealership had to replace rings all done under warranty! My husband questioned what about 4,5,6? We where told it's just a freak thing and all will be fine. Yea right! The last 2 year's we replaced cylinder #3 coil pack and spark plug (3) times. We it 102,000 miles had the timing belt service done and low and behold we discovered we are know burning oil! 1/2 quart every 1050 miles give or take a mile or so. I spoke to the dealership about past engine issues feeling the service records should show the vehicle was fully serviced by factory recommendations at there dealership! Response was suggested you might want to consider getting rid of it! So we did just that BUT NOT WITH HONDA! What happened with this brand is sad as we loved our van and had many of fun family travels! Life moves on in a different brand automobile.. Honda needs to fix it's engine issues it's killing the HONDA brand.😔

M Guzman (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 3:41PM

We purchased a 2017 Honda Odyssey Touring van with 150k miles in August 2024. Took the van on a trip to Florida 3 weeks later, and the VCM warning and our engine lights came on after approx. 1200 miles. We unplugged the battery for 30 mins and the lights went off. The van ran fine for another 200 miles then we had the same issues. We limped the van back home approx 300 miles and then we ordered the VCM Tuner II which was suggested for our year, make and model. The Tuner cost approx $130 and it only took 15 mins to install. It bypassed the VCM system on the van. My husband also replaced all of the sparkplugs. We never had another issue with the van and we have driven it an additional 22k miles since the repair. I am so disappointed that Honda continues to ignore the VCM issue. We were a dedicated Honda family and we have owned five Hondas with 300k+ miles. We never had an issue like this VCM issue. Our 2009 Civix EX has 380k miles and our 2007 Odyssey has 305k and the are both still running strong. It is unfortunate that we can no longer trust Honda to produce reliable vehicles and to stand behind them. Our 2017 Odyssey has been running great since WE bypassed the VCM, but that does not make me more confident about buying another Honda vehicle in the future. Honda is going to need to earn our trust again.

Elena Rice (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 4:06PM

Please look into 2019 Honda Odyssey Multipurpose Camera Malfunctions. Lots of people on Odyssey.com and Reddit complaining of this part failing -triggering 5 safety warnings at once- because the camera overheats. Also, low voltage with a weak battery can trigger software glitches that give simultaneous blind spot detection and transmission system failures while the car is running. These both are intermittent. Look to the NHTSA website for the many many complaints (over 500+) about the 2019 Honda Odyssey.

Karie Bogucki (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 5:18PM

I had a 2016 Honda Odyssey. Loved this car. Had to replace rings twice. The first time Honda paid but 50,000 miles later had to do it again and they wouldnt cover it. They said because of miles. My car was in perfect condition and well taken care of. I fixed it and traded it in. We had a lot of highway miles but it drove like brand new until one morning after a long trip it just wouldn't run. I loved that car! I hated to trade it but now someone else will enjoy it until rings need replaced again.

James Bright (not verified)    February 15, 2025 - 6:04PM

The person commenting about all hondas with a 3.5 liter engine with the VCM system installed. Do all have this same problem. No matter what year. I have a 2016 Honda Odyssey with the 3.5 liter with the VCM system. At 118,000 My rear bank spark plugs started Coking up causing a code P0301 and P0303. Had to remove the rear Cylinder head for those 3 cylinders. Remove the pistons and replace the rings. Then reinstall everything. Honda wanted to charge me $5000 to put a Band-aid on this issue. And said they could have it ready in 2 days. It's not possible if you're going to do it correctly. The best way to fix this is go out and buy VCM muzzler. It will stop the VCM system from operating.