To start, Pepsi Tesla Semi is delivering Frito-Lay products around 425 miles per charge. It also delivers Pepsi out of its Sacramento warehouse on 100 mile daily routes, going directly to stores, and 300 to 400 mile runs to other warehouses.
One of the Frito-Lay executives, speaking in the video, says "the contents that the Frito-Lay Tesla Semi trailer can weigh about 45,000 pounds is really the accepted weight and potato chips are made of a lot of air.
He says when we look at soda cans, aluminum and liquids, these things weight a lot, and they will weight out." In that video, Pepsi didn't speak to the price of the Tesla Semi trucks, but according to CNBC it is estimated to cost around $180,000.
The cost benefit is still a bit of a question mark because One expert, speaking in CNBC's video, whose name I couldn't get, says the price of the new electric truck isn't quite settled yet. I think it's safe to assume that it'll be at least double the price of the equivalent diesel model.
"First generation and early development has additional research funding and all that. That's where the partnership and support comes in. But ongoing, we believe there is a positive economic business case for electrifying the fleet," says PepsiCo's VP Supply Chain Mike O'Connell.
But in general, experts are predicting that electric trucks will be cheaper to operate over time. In CNBC's rare inside look of Pepsi Tesla Semi operations, PepsiCo said it's working with Tesla to grow their Tesla Semi fleet from 37 to 100 trucks.
Armen Hareyan is the founder and the Editor in Chief of Torque News. He founded TorqueNews.com in 2010, which since then has been publishing expert news and analysis about the automotive industry. He can be reached at Torque News Twitter, Facebok, Linkedin and Youtube.
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Add to that, the Federal
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In reply to Positive economic business? by MariOh (not verified)
Add to that, the Federal government gave a Grant to PepsiCo for the trucks! Not some little trucking company, but the largest company in the world. I love EV and I admire Elon Musk, for solving big problems like internet for 3rd world companies, etc., but it is devastating for small trucking firms. Federal government tax dollars to make the richest companies even richer, killing the small firms is so typical. Like useless FEMA The counties and cities get the dollars, not the small businesses. Like the energy crisis, the immigration crisis, and the homeless crisis, political footballs for both sides to kick. All politics and no solutions at least Elon has great minds working on solutions to problems the world faces. Not perfect, just trying to make a difference.
Tesla total number of
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In reply to Positive economic business? by MariOh (not verified)
Tesla total number of employees in 2022 was 127,855, a 28.77% increase from 2021. 2023 will be a similar increase.
Frito-Lay and Pepsi employ about 370,000 people.
Both companies are committed to reducing CO2 emissions to counteract global warming. Eliminating diesel emissions is part of the process.
Importantly, diesel trucks are a health hazard to children and people with respiratory issues, they produce significant a mounts of lung damaging particulate from exhaust emissions and brake shoe wear. The Tesla semi emits zero exhaust and almost zero brake particulate due to its regenerative braking (it slows the truck by generating power back into the battery when the driver takes his foot off the accelerator), reducing the need for mechanical brakes by around 99%.
Having significant ownership in a company is NOT greed, it is paper wealth in the form of stock certificates, it isn't stacks of dollars sitting somewhere, the stock has no spendable value until it is sold,though the mainstream media would have you think otherwise.
Excuse me??? Elon Musk owns
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In reply to Positive economic business? by MariOh (not verified)
Excuse me??? Elon Musk owns about 13% of Tesla. That means 87% of the company is owned by other folks, many of whom are non-institutional investors, regular working folk like me. Combined and without considering institutional investors, I'd bet we surpass Elon.
Furthermore, Teslas sole in America regularly rank near or at the top for the percentage of the vehicle that is truly American made as opposed to just assembled here with foreign parts. They are as or more American developed and made as virtually any other vehicle on the road. Tesla has brought American engineering back to a reality it hasn't seen since the 60s.
And what the heck are you talking about with the driver nonsense??? We are a long ways from having drivers displaced by autonomous driving. And if some of the long, boring, easy miles do eventually convert over, that will just give our overworked drivers a bit of a breather. Did you not note that one of the biggest causes of shortages over the last couple of years was not having enough drivers despite companies like Walmart hitting 95K type salary levels? If we didn't have some of the load being handled by drivers from across the borders, our country would not be able to operate.
Open your eyes. Wow. Just wow.
My friend, its always been
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In reply to Positive economic business? by MariOh (not verified)
My friend, its always been like this, its called progress, I really dont want to sound offensive but we could have stopped developing hundreds of years ago and instead of one two or three massive tractors working in the field you wpuld still have hundreds of people doing this job and getting paid for it... Stop being so fearful, its part of our nature to progress..
These trucks need drivers and
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In reply to Positive economic business? by MariOh (not verified)
These trucks need drivers and will for a while. You sound like an old codger from the horse and buggy times. Truck drivers will need to retrain. If I was a trucker, I'd be learning to repair electric trucks starting NOW. Or you can sit around complaining and be left behind. As a share holder, I want my money to grow. You sound like a communist. Move to China or Russia or adapt. I've been an engineer for 20 years. I've had to continuously learn new things or I would've been obsolete as an employee years ago.
For Elon? For Pepsi? Maybe
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In reply to Positive economic business? by MariOh (not verified)
For Elon? For Pepsi? Maybe for the environment?! Hahahaah! Guess you forgot about the environment. What a great informative article! So exciting to see Pepsi try to grow their fleet and the human race making progress toward a better environment for our children! Thank you Pepsi and Tesla!
Qoute : Pepsi Tesla Semi is
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Qoute : Pepsi Tesla Semi is delivering Frito-Lay products around 425 miles per charge. It also delivers Pepsi out of its Sacramento warehouse on 100 mile daily routes, going directly to stores, and 300 to 400 mile runs to other warehouses.
The and 300-400 to other should like that a empty truck to load up for the next 100 miles. The chips are very light and the soda are very heavy reinforce the 100 range for very heavy load. Same as he said last time but threw in that 300-400 and he tell the truth but it's about how you read it.
I didn't see anything for
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In reply to Qoute : Pepsi Tesla Semi is by Tommy (not verified)
I didn't see anything for comparison. Fuel vs charging, insurances, hours of operation allowed, active use in yards in movements, loading, prepping. Trucks have a lot of changes in their in terminal uses, and everything should be fairly evaluated to understand the potential either way.
I don't think you get what he
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In reply to Qoute : Pepsi Tesla Semi is by Tommy (not verified)
I don't think you get what he was saying exactly. They fully load the trailer volume with Frito lay chips, but it's still 45,000lbs net which is about normal max for a regular semi with a 48' trailer. And for Pepsi, yes it's very heavy, so for the same 45,000lbs trailer loading you won't be double stacking pallets and not fully cubing out the trailer like the chips. No diesel semi can be fully loaded with soda either as you max out the weight pretty quickly. It's still gonna be about 45,000lbs.
Given that they're able to carry 45,000lbs, which again on a normal diesel semi typically gets you to the max legal weight give or take 4,000lbs for a 2 axel 48' trailer. They aren't limited here by battery weight, nor is the 500 mile range some light load, but seems to be as stated at a bit over 80,000lbs gross they get 500 miles.
I just don't see this working
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I just don't see this working. The average independent driver won't be able to afford it. They would need a loan twice as big and.being on the road will re-charge at commercial rates which i seriously doubt will EVER make it cheaper to operate. Just look at supercharging pricing for passenger vehicles right now. Easily 50 cents a kw. Might be cheaper than diesel but not cheap enough to catch up to that twice as expensive (plus high interest) loan. Nope nope nope.
This is not economically
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This is not economically feasible! Get all cost included and stop the billions of dollar government funding. Consider the electric grid. Consider 80% of electricity comes from non renewables. Instead of using diesel fuel you burn fossil fuel to make electricity then transfer over lines then put in a battery and finally run a vehicle. DOES that sound efficient???,
I'm sorry but did I miss the
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I'm sorry but did I miss the battery replacement part? Or maybe the mining that has to be done in countries that dont like us just to create those batteries? Or charging those trucks? Look the bottom line here is it seems no one is actually looking at the TRUE BOTTOM LINE.
Have a nice ignorance filled day.
After driver salary, fuel
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After driver salary, fuel costs are the largest expense of operating a rig, comparable to rig cost (including financing). The rig costing 2x is breakeven, and positive return if the maintenance is lower (which it probably is). We are there already for lighter loads, and soon for all loads.
Costs:
Driver 44%. Fuel 21%. Rig 20%. Maintenance 11% (inc tires). Insurance 5%. Permits 4%
Source: sonar.frieghtwaves.com
A fully weighted semi will
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A fully weighted semi will lose about 50% of its range. Simple math.
I find it interesting that
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I find it interesting that the predictions of cheaper operation are assuming that electricity prices will stay as they are. As with any other commodity, the price will balloon when demand spikes. Then let's hear how economical they are. Also, when the batteries have to be replaced. Only convenient facts being reported on electrification of large trucks. Not the REAL truth. You have to look further than the end of your nose to see the future
Here's a catch:
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Here's a catch:
I'm an industry insider and the real reason they're not buying electric trucks quickly is because their 3xistkng diesel mechanics cannot work on them. The power systems are so heavy duty that a person needs to have a specific high voltage certification to work on them, which no diesel mechanic normally has...so they have to hire electricians to do the electrical maintenance and let the diesel mechanics handle the other convention upkeep.
Electric semis will never catch because companies flat out lie about the cost of keeping them on the road.
Notice, they said the Tesla
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Notice, they said the Tesla semi is delivering goods up to 425 miles per CHARGE. But they didn't specify how long it takes to charge. If the initial info was correct, these trucks have 1MWhour batteries, and Tesla Superchargers can source up to 250KW, then it would take at least 4 hours to fully charge each truck. Did Pepsi purchase a supercharger for each of the 36 trucks, or do they have to wait in line for charging ? That wait would seriously impact their duty cycle.
In europe a truck travel
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In europe a truck travel around the 750 km a day so that range may be ok but you need a parking with a charger to recharge them in 9 hours or it may be ok for countries like ireland that is small enough that can make return trip
Frito and Pepsi are private
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Frito and Pepsi are private fleets
They do no compete in Commerce with other competing interests.
The fact no one will give us direct numbers is very concerning.
With out factual numbers there is no way to determine cost of ownership
Maintenance cost
Charging cost
Charging station cost
And then use above cost to pencil out base haul rates which will determine if it can compete in market place.
The true numbers will also determine if the general public will see an increase in there goods.
The straight fact no interest in the development or test and operations of these vehicles will provide true real-time data gives the perception the cost benefit is not practical.
The industry will not buy into this tech with out facts and numbers.
These tech guys need to figure out this industry is not all back wood hillbillies that marvel at a light switch.
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